...you can always find someone, somewhere who likes CRAP!
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Quack!!!
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The article in USA today said it was the highest due to Trek fans rallying and thats the only excuse that I can find why it is up so High. Angel is certainly a better written show but they dont have sites with tones of messages boards like this one to get the fans over there to vote. IF all the people who voted watched the show on a regular basis, the show would be doing much better than 90 something place. It's last in it's timeslot.
Of course these are the same people who rate that the show is excellent every week no matter how bad the show is every week so you cant really call the Trek fans on here objective.
Finally, in the middle of darkness there is a shimmer of light. Frankly I was in doubt wether this could happen now a days. The world has grown increasingly critical, desperate, ungrateful, careless, and egoistic. A wonder that Star Trek has been able to survive for so long. Star Trek stands for the good in all of us. The benefit of this is constantly downplayed and now forgotten even by fans of the genre. What a shame... except.. I did see a shimmer of light? Well, maybe hope is the last thing to die.
I realize these polls are rather meaningless, but thefutoncritic.com is currently running a poll for what UPN should do with Enterprise. A majority would see it stay on Wednesday or move to Friday, but an increasing minority is voting for the plug to get pulled.
Something I'm not understanding ...
ENT scored 70%
ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT scored 36.5%
TRU CALLING with 28%
Add these together and you get well over 100% (134.5% to be exact).
Am I missing something here?
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I voted and I voted to keep Arrested Development (why are you people watching this?) and of course Angel but everyone I know voted to get it off of Television so I am still unclear how it got such a high score unless, it was because of all of the rallying done on chat boards.
A ray of light? What?
I sometimes think that in this day and age of people thinking the last two Star Wars flicks were actually good and people thinking Enterprise has really gotten good this season, if you know what good Sci Fi or Good Television is.
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70% of ENT votes were to keep it, not 70% of the entire vote.
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Hoshi: I was hoping you'd put up a fight.
T'Pol: I'm surprised you're not exhausted from all the beds, you've jumped into, recently.
"In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"
70% of 43,000? Lesse, that would be about 30,100 people. So, basically the amount of poeple that cared to vote to voice there opinions was less then that of the amount of people in Nampa, Idaho, and 70% percent of them voted for Enterprise. hmmmm. Does this strike anyone else as just a little sad and/or odd? What I mean is, (for example) why not Angel? This show is clever, well-written, solid and established. How in the world can it even be compared to a show that is so, (to put it kindly) uneven? This poll makes no sense. Where does this desperation come from to save a show like Enterprise? Folks, I'm not just another Enterprise basher because that makes me sad, but lets get real about this! There are and have been FAR better and more deserving shows out there than Enterprise. Remember that quirky show on CBS Now and Again? Yeah, I didn't think so.
TV Guide quote 2001
"It's a shame that nobody had the smarts to look at Now and Again after a full years run. This show deserved another chance."
Funny, I don't hear them saying the same thing about Enterprise. Maybe we as fans, need to get past the label on the package that says "Star Trek" on it and then look at it again.
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"It is with our passions, as it is with fire and water, they are good servants but bad masters."
Aesop (620 BC - 560 BC)
"Really Doctor McCoy, you must learn to govern your passions... They will be your undoing."
- Captain Spock (Much later)
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I couldnt agree more. I am not here to bash but I am just still shocked at how many people defend this show when it is just ok. Angel is better and that is leaving us and did Farscape. Two great genre shows that will sorely be missed.
Once and Again mentioned above and shows like Freaks and Geeks are amazingly written shows with wonderful characters. Enterprise does not fit into those catagories.
It's great that what is left of the fandom is still liking it because they grew up with it or whatever but I learned my lesson after watching Voyager for 7 y ears, it's not worth standing behind a show only because it has Trek in the title or because it is the spinoff of a great couple of shows. Go watch or fight for something that deserves to be saved.
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Enterprise deserves to be saved no matter how bad it is. Simply because it's Star Trek, and Star Trek needs to continue as it symbolise the best in mankind. The show cannot improve if it gets cancelled.
All the other shows are just temporary and time specific - born today and dies tomorrow. Star Trek has the best and biggest appeal. The premise of exploring space, learning, appriciating life, peaceful coexsistance as goal - all those things makes Star Trek worth saving now and forever.
The other shows are just clever entertaining at best.
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Oh come on. That's like saying you are going to keep a boyfriend because he has a Big you know what but doesnt have any brains to match. Puh-leezeeee! Keeping something on just "Because" is not only lame but lazy on the fans part and the networks fault. Thats what Paramount has counted on for years and I would be behind this show if it were up to the quality of say, DS9 or other shows like B5 but it is not that good and if you cant find something else out there more worth your time even it the show is chugging along like this one, you really think about how your life is going.
I have to say, if I were UPN/CBS, I'd be ignoring the poll in USA today. Enterprise has a disproporitionately tech-savvy and organized fan base, the type which is almost guaranteed to skew this sort of poll (which isn't worth much anyway) so I wouldnt exactly say this poll is sceientific.
Enterprise still hasn't really found it's footing. I don't really see much change in the characters, just same characters, new situations.
I keep reading it's better than Voyager or it's better than last season but If a show can only survive on lowered expectations, it deserves to die.
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wow. Dude, if that whole pargraph was not meant tounge in cheek, then...... wow. I think my point was just proved. Tell me you weren't serious. I beg you.
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"It is with our passions, as it is with fire and water, they are good servants but bad masters."
Aesop (620 BC - 560 BC)
"Really Doctor McCoy, you must learn to govern your passions... They will be your undoing."
- Captain Spock (Much later)
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I am serious! I'm not talking about Enterprise but Star Trek as a whole - it needs to continue, and cancelling Enterprise would not help anything. With so much trouble in the franchine lately I don't think it can handle a further step backwards. For the bosses at Paramount, the situation is simple: Fans supporting Enterprise means fans supporting Star Trek.
Besides, I personally think Enterprise is gold. It's certainly worth saving. If the majority of Trekkies thinks otherwise, so be it! I stand by my opinion.
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If decon bays scenes symbolize the best of humanity, then the crappy stories that are in the USA Today rank higher than Enterprise's ratings. That story said nothing about why any of the shows were on the chopping block! How typical.
Oh, and Whoopi Goldberg's show ranked dead last.
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"I'm astounded that your organization [the MSHSAA] tries to regulate what these kids do in their free time. Would you tell them they couldn't watch Star Trek or eat potato chips?"
-Missouri State Rep. Bryan Stevenson, R-Joplin
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Two years ago, maybe even a year ago, I'd have agreed that Angel was much better than Enterprise.
But as Enterprise has got better, Angel has got much worse.
Ent for me right now. I'm not even bothered Angel has been axed (but then the whole Buffy/Angel universe just kind of died anyway).
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Lydia: "I've never lost at mortal combat yet."
Diana: "Idiot. If you had, you'd be dead." -- V, "The Champion"
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But as Enterprise has got better, Angel has got much worse.
BS. Angel has never been better. The new Illyeria plot line is brilliant, and she's proven to be one of the most interesting characters I've seen in a long time.
I was impressed with the receant episodes of Ent also, but Angel hasn't gotten worse by any measure.
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"Time is a face on the water."
-Stephen King, The Dark Tower Series-
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Enterprise is one of only three shows I bother to watch every week, the other two being Angel and Tru Calling. I can't find anything better that ENT on TV and in terms of Star Trek it's my second favourite series. Azati Prime and Damage played more like an episode of Buffy or Angel with huge character developments in each, I don't think Trek has ever done much better than this.
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Hoshi: I was hoping you'd put up a fight.
T'Pol: I'm surprised you're not exhausted from all the beds, you've jumped into, recently.
"In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"
I have to agree with what StillKirok said earlier. That number of votes is quite frankly pathetic for what should have been a significant poll. E! Online ran a similar poll a few weeks back, and ten times that many people voted! 85% of them for Angel, since there was still a teeny bit of hope that WB might reverse the cancellation decision or that another network would pick it up. Like Enterprise with this poll, the large turnout was significantly affected by the various Save Angel campaigns, but it's definately noteworthy that FAR more people apparently care about Enterprise's cancelled rival than Enterprise itself...
They're right. I found out about the poll from this site, which means USA Today did a lousy Job publicizing the poll.
You know, I get the feeling that the fact that Bush "won" the election to become president was part of a coordinated effort :)
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Bush's win had more to do with crdibility and character than coordinated efforts. Although, coordinated efforts did play a small influence, from conservative talk radio, in the 2000 elections.
Now, if Enterprise could only get a similar kind of coordinated efforts, publicity per episode, Enterprise would probably improve.
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Look at what Bush has done for this country since being elected, High unemployment, Budget cuts for schools and, um, a war with Men and Woman being killed everyday.
I'm glad to see support for 'Enterprise' hasn't diminished.
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"I was told this ship was the pride of Starfleet. I find it is small, and unimpressive."
"Funny, I was about to say the same thing about you."
Archer and Gral spar verbally in: "Babel One."
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45000 people voting on an internet poll really isn't that impressive a number nor is an internet poll accurate.
If Enterprise truly had support, it wouldn't need a poll. I think it should be renewed, but I could be wrong.
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45000 sounds like A LOT to me, and I can't imagine any coordinated effort would skew those numbers significantly. People keep saying that "not a lot of Trek fans visit fan-sites" and most remain silent. How many unique visitors are there on Trekweb or startrek.com? Not so many, only a few thousand I would guess.
This poll clearly shows support for Enterprise and that is encouraging.
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