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By: HybridStatement (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:04:57 on Mar 11, 2004

It's about time they brought in the Andorians for a finale episode! This makes me look forward to this episode even more so now. Some of my favorite episodes are the Andorian ones, i'm glad to see them finally get a really important episode this time with the season finale.

As for the show continuing, i hope so, it's just starting to get good, it would suck for them to cancel it now. I hope the Andorians aren't the only ones who get involved. Bring in the Suliban, bring in Daniels, bring in the Klingons even! Pull out all the stops for this episode.

Just a little speculation on my part -- i haven't really read any detailed spoilers for the rest of the season, so some of this may be already confirmed or denied, but i'll say it anyway. I'm thinking that the Archer will be able to convince Degra & co. to stop the superweapon's launch, however, the Reptillians will still not believe them & attempt to launch their bio-weapon, & steal the superweapon for launch as well, this could lead to the final episode where Enterprise must try to stop the superweapons launch from within the expanse with the help of the other Xindi, while the Andorians lend a hand back near Earth to stop the bio-weapon, along with help from the Vulcans of all people, who finally decide to help out once the Xindi reach Earth & finally, with the help of a Xindi vortex, or maybe Daniels -- or both, Enterprise reaches Earth & helps them defeat the Reptillians & stop the bio-weapon from being released.

After this, Archer, knowing of the future & what Daniels said in "Azati Prime", could have a speach about how the Vulcans, Humans, & Andorians have to much in common not to work together, thus further plating the seeds for the Federation & furthering the Vulcan/Andorian arc as well as all but ending the Xindi arc.

Just my thoughts :)

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  By: AdzIW (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:24:55 on Mar 18, 2004

  Yes, but the question is all about Shran,
  Has his ship become trapped in the Expanse? or is he as suggested above nearer home?
  And I get the feeling he will make one last grab for the weapons and meet Archer 'along the way'. Or perhaps the Ent crew do need to call for help. maybe the Andorians have changed their strategy against earth following the events in Proving Ground/Strategem and have have offered to help stop the weapon heading for earth. Heck, If it wasn't for the fact that Shran is going to have to interact with Archer, maybe an armarda of Andorian battleships is going to enter Earth orbit to head off the Xindi and destroy the weapon as a 'surprise' the Xindi hadn't calculated for.
  Oh, I can't wait till late May......
  
  
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By: CMBat (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:37:52 on Mar 11, 2004

Told you they'd renew for Season Four...it's all about 100 episodes, baby.

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  By: AdzIW (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:23:34 on Mar 18, 2004

  Yes, but the question is all about Shran,
  Has his ship become trapped in the Expanse? or is he as suggested above nearer home?
  And I get the feeling he will make one last grab for the weapons and meet Archer 'along the way'. Or perhaps the Ent crew do need to call for help. maybe the Andorians have changed their strategy against earth following the events in Proving Ground/Strategem and have have offered to help stop the weapon heading for earth. Heck, If it wasn't for the fact that Shran is going to have to interact with Archer, maybe an armarda of Andorian battleships is going to enter Earth orbit to head off the Xindi and destroy the weapon as a 'surprise' the Xindi hadn't calculated for.
  Oh, I can't wait till late May......
  
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  By: Krazy Joe (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:31:07 on Mar 12, 2004

  100 episodes means nothing to the network. 100 episodes is the magic number for "striping" (5 nights a week). This is benificial to the STUDIO, not the network. therefore UPN would have nothing to gain by hitting the 100 episode mark.

  
  

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  By: PicardFan (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:55:15 on Mar 11, 2004

  It'll go 7 seasons like TNG, VOY, DS9....

  
  

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    By: Fred (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:38:02 on Mar 11, 2004

    Well, hang on. Is it "all but official" *according to Berman*? If so, he might just be whistling in the dark.
    
    

    
    

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      By: Steve Krutzler (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:50:54 on Mar 11, 2004

      That's not a Berman quote, just my own words based on the info available which seems to suggest that ENT will be back, they just haven't officially announced it.
      
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        By: Balok (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:02:11 on Mar 11, 2004

        Which info? Do you have some inside info that hasn't been reported elsewhere? Based on all the statements I've seen from the execs, I'd say they suggest it won't be back, or at least that they really haven't made a decision yet, which I would also interpret as bad news.
        
        Yes, I know I sound like a vulture. Though I'm disappointed in Enterprise, I'm not jumping up and down hoping it will be cancelled. I'm just stating what I think will happen based on the information available to me. Obviously, others can reach different conclusions based on that same information. I guess I'm a pessimist and you're an optimist. But I think it's not a good idea to give people false hope... If anything, it might prevent them from writing in or campaigning to save the show. So unless you know something the rest of us don't...

        
        

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          By: CMBat (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:20:27 on Mar 11, 2004

          Well, here's what we know...
          
          Enterprise contracts are six seasons...so the show would have to be cancelled early...so by default, so far, Season Four is a go.
          
          The ratings haven't really gotten worse this year, and there is some positive press toward the series. While I don't expect a huge bump in the ratings for the end of the season, I do think the general buzz is up.
          
          100 episodes, as I have said in the past, is the magic number and increases the net value of the series across the board for Paramount.
          
          Paramount doesn't like the idea of having no Star Trek on TV as it affects many aspects of the franchise, including toys, games, movies, etc.
          
          The only thing we have pointing toward the show not being renewed is one comment by an exec.
          
          So far, the facts support renewal.

          
          

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            By: Blainevi (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:14:20 on Mar 11, 2004

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            Enterprise contracts are six seasons...so the show would have to be cancelled early...so by default, so far, Season Four is a go.
            
            Then why doesn't it garantee a fifth or sixth?
            
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            The ratings haven't really gotten worse this year, and there is some positive press toward the series. While I don't expect a huge bump in the ratings for the end of the season, I do think the general buzz is up.
            
            Perhaps but the ratings have not gone up that much, if at all.
            
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            100 episodes, as I have said in the past, is the magic number and increases the net value of the series across the board for Paramount.
            
            But who will watch a show that was cancelled due to lack of intrest the first time around?
            
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            Paramount doesn't like the idea of having no Star Trek on TV as it affects many aspects of the franchise, including toys, games, movies, etc.
            
            Didn't stop after TOS was cancelled.
            
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            The only thing we have pointing toward the show not being renewed is one comment by an exec.
            
            Yeah, but that pretty much all that has been said about Ent's future. Other then B&B are planning to go ahead with planning for a fourth season.
            
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            So far, the facts support renewal.
            
            Maybe, maybe not. After all your opinion is as valied as mine.
            
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            By: Balok (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:03:08 on Mar 11, 2004

            Six season contracts? For who, the cast and crew? Could you substantiate this claim somehow? I don't think this is correct.
            
            The ratings have indeed gone down. See below. The numbers may be slightly skewed for this season (in its favor) because there have only been 18 episodes so far compared to 26 for the first two seasons (in other words, the ratings below for season 3 are probably better than they would be if they included all 24 episodes). The first number is the season, the year in parantheses, the rating, the number of households, the number of viewers, the share, and worst of all the number of viewers in the key 18 - 49 demographic:
            
            1, (2001-2002)....4.15....4.39 million....6.71 million....6.7....3.39
            2, (2002-2003)....2.89....3.08 million....4.40 million....4.6....2.07
            3, (2003-2004)....2.58....2.81 million....3.94 million....4.1....1.65
            
            Positive press? TV Guide said the show deserves a mercy killing. What positive press are you referring to? The only positive buzz I've seen the show get is on these boards, and until Azati Prime, the buzz had been mostly lukewarm.
            
            I'll grant you that 100 episodes would result in a marginal improvement in the syndication package (for which they already have enough episodes), but I still believe the ROI wouldn't justify producing another season. I think this is the argument you're depending on most and I grant you that I could be completely wrong on this one.
            
            There's a considerable sentiment that too much Trek (especially in the forms of Voyager and Enterprise) have been doing more to hurt than help the franchise. Many fans and people in the press have been calling for a break. We don't know if Paramount is weighing that at all.
            
            And there have been numerous discouraging comments from the execs, and only one positive one from Rick Berman, who we all know cannot be taken at his word. The latest discouraging comment came from Dawn Ostroff and was posted here a couple of days ago:
            
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            Take another look at the ratings above after reading that comment and tell me things look good for Enterprise's future.
            
            I'm sorry, but so far the facts do not support renewal. It may happen, and I'm sure there are other variables for which we don't have enough information which will factor into the decision, and perhaps Steve does know something he's not (or can't) tell us. And I'm not hoping and praying that Enterprise gets cancelled. I'm just looking at all the information available to me, and it doesn't look encouraging.
            

            
            

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              By: Myxx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:03:17 on Mar 12, 2004

              Lots of good stuff here, but I'd have to disagree on one point. When I joined this board during Season two, I was shocked/amused to see that the majority of people seemed to generally despise the show. And I would agree it was weak, weak Trek. I watched all 7 seasons of Voyager even though I didn't much care for it. I thought it was about as bland as unflavored rice cakes. But Enterprise had some promise.
              
              But Season Three showed a dramatic reversal of this opinion. The posts went from lukewarm to general acceptance to guarded enthusiasm to out right joy with Azati Prime. It was this change in attitude on the whole that makes me think that the show is easily half as much better this go round. I hope the change results in another season.
              
              You have to admit that it is now good enough for each side to be able to argue that it has good points. Even I admit it was hard to find something good to say the first two seasons.
              

              
              

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                By: Balok (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:41:32 on Mar 12, 2004

                Okay, to some degree I'll say that's true. The first two seasons, almost everybody who posted here seemed to hate the show. I think the opinions have become a lot more balanced, but I'm not sure if that's because people's opinions have changed or because the more negative people have just moved on. And there's no question that most people have been gushing over Azati Prime and suddenly proclaiming their love for the show. But, based on the declining ratings, it's hard to argue that the general population feels there's been an improvement in quality. Also, read the AICN boards or any other general Sci-Fi boards and you'll see that the hatred for the show really hasn't died down.
                
                In my opinion, the series really has not gotten any better overall. I never hated the first two seasons, I just simply didn't enjoy them. And I'm really not enjoying this season either, but I don't hate it. There have been two or three very good episodes, and a handful of better than average episodes, but for every good one there's also been a stinker in the bunch. I actually rate every episode at GEOS so I can keep track of my opinion. And I try to be fair. So far my average rating for season 1 was 6.52, for season 2 it was 6.58, and for season 3 it's 6.47. Again, that's skewed because the season isn't complete yet. That's just my opinion, of course, and the show isn't going to be renewed or cancelled based on how I feel about it.
                
                My point is that if the show has been getting improved buzz, it's only true on these boards. It may very well get renewed based on factors we haven't taken into account, but from all I can see, the show's future does not look good. I'm just trying to analyze the available information and predict an outcome, not make a value judgment on what should happen. We'll know for sure in the next few weeks, though I wish they would come out and make a decision either way already. If this episode (which is the first season finale since 1989 which doesn't end on a cliffhanger) is the end of the series, I wish they'd give the producers time to give the show a proper send off.

                
                

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                  By: CW (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:59:13 on Mar 16, 2004 | (1)

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                  (which is the first season finale since 1989 which doesn't end on a cliffhanger)
                  
                  May I remind you of VOYAGER's season 1 finale "Learning Curve" and DS9's season 1 finale "In the Hands of the Prophets" I think that those were season finales (after 1989) that were not cliffhangers!
                  
                  Although i do agree with you. I would hate to see this be the end of ENTERPRISE. I think that the show has improved and that there are still many story lines to explore
                  
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