Sounds great, all of it. I'm glad to see they've come up with a reasonable (and surprising) explanation for T'Polls behaviour. Now it makes sense! :o)
Looking forward to see all the season 3 episodes I've missed (when there are no DVD's.. I'm cut off)
So let see;
1701(first generation-all captains incuding)
1701-B(second generation)
1701-C(third generation)
So we would most likely see Enterprise C(from Yesterday's enterprise). I have the episode with me and the uniforms and hairdesings look very similar to what we saw in that episode on enterprise C. Intresting....
Or its a unknown and unseen enterprise :confused
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You guys are too dumb to watch Trek and not do the math? 1701 thru 1701-E all take place in less than a 100 year period. Duh. A "3rd generation" doesn't refer to A,B,C, or bloody D when Kirk's Enterprise is a full 100 years after Archer. Besides, who freaking cares? It's just a TV show. Just enjoy the stories and chill out. You guys make like this is as important as life itself. Freaks.
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A single generation is about 20-40 years, not 100. It's not a measure of time either, just branches of a family tree. It could easily be one of those Enterprises we've seen.
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kimi no machi ie ude no naka sono kao
sotto furete
asa ni tokeru
yumemiru" -- Rikki/Uematsu, Suteki da ne
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next season -- as yet not officially announced -- will continue to involve arc storytelling and not merely standalone episodes.
Now THIS is good news.
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Berman suggests we'll learn a reason for 'T'Pol's strange behavior this season: a future episode may reveal that she has become addicted to small doses of Trellium-D, the substance known to cause instanity in Vulcans from "Impulse."
Substance addiction? From a Vulcan? Dear almighty Star Trek god: Must we now accept that ENT's model Vulcan falls to the level of Berman's personal contraband snorting habits?
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Or as someone suggested below, perhaps T'Pol realizes she is lucky that Archer opted to keep her on the mission and jeopardize his ship to the Expanse anomalies, and she decided to secretly try and build up an immunity to Trellium D so that Enterprise could utilize it to protect the hull without killing her.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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Berman suggests we'll learn a reason for 'T'Pol's strange behavior this season: a future episode may reveal that she has become addicted to small doses of Trellium-D, the substance known to cause instanity in Vulcans from "Impulse."
Substance addiction? From a Vulcan? Dear almighty Star Trek god: Must we now accept that ENT's model Vulcan falls to the level of Berman's personal contraband snorting habits?
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You are assuming that T'Pol wanted to be addicted. Many people become addicted to medications because they have had a legitimate need for them and then they develop the dependance without wanting it. T'Pol has been exposed to Trellium D on Enterprise for months. She may have become "addicted" to it or simply may have been affected by it enough to explain her behavior. I actually find this very plausible.
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Why is there an assumption that Vulcans cannot become addicts, willingly or otherwise? On the contrary, I can see how a Vulcan, once addicted, would be one hell of of an intense addict. Their underlying emotions are extremely erratic and aggressive, after all.
Even after all this time, we still do not know a hell of a lot about a variety of Vulcans from different eras. I disagree with the presumption that all Vulcans are basically clones of each other.
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You are forgetting one important fact. One of the shuttlepods IS covered with Trellium D. I can't remember in which episode it was they did that. Since they never said they undid this to the shuttle, that can be one source of exposure.
She also was heavily exposed in the episode with the zombie vulcans. Perhaps Phlox was not able to completely "cure" her.
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T'Pol would be an idiot if she took that shuttle anywhere.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
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T'Pol has been exposed to Trellium D on Enterprise for months.
How? The stuff they collected, and it wasn't that much, was stored in "biohazard containers" in the cargo bay or wherever they kept them. They never lined the hull with it because they knew she was being impacted by the stuff. When she and Trip were first experimenting with it, they didn't spend "months" with it. The "mission" didn't allow that kind of luxury of time and it was only happening between ENT "Rajiin" and ENT "Impulse" when the problem with it in its finished form, was discovered. ;-)
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She may have become "addicted" to it or simply may have been affected by it enough to explain her behavior. I actually find this very plausible.
It would be implausible if they knew that the "biohazard" designation on those containers was useless for this substance, therefore underscoring their incompetence for not having dumped the containers out the airlock. And if they didn't know, then it almost suggests that she was sleeping down there next to the containers themselves.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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So yeah, E2.... Let me guess, Enterprise C (it's never been on-screen before... so the crew can be anyone), and I do believe Ent C was 'lost' in some spacial anomaly (yay for continuity).. and this is where the NX-01 acquires SHIELD technology. I bet ya.
And that causes an ever-so-fun paradox with 'how were shields invented?'
We'll have to see.
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Yesterday's Enterprise was all about the U.S.S. Enterprise - NCC-1701-C
It's 3 generations ahead, if one uses generation = 100 years. Then 300 years ahead of their time or 2453, which is a 25th century vessel.
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So yeah, E2.... Let me guess, Enterprise C (it's never been on-screen before... so the crew can be anyone)
We've seen the 1701-C in TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise", commanded by Captain Rachael Garrett. ;-)
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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one of my favourite episodes too... man, i'm losing it :)
hm, a post enterprise E vessel? craaazay.
Still, the shields thing, i bet.. if not that, at least forcefields (basically the same thing)..
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forcefields were already invented in a previous ENT episode, but they were unstable, so they were only used for a brief moment. Can't recall the episode name though.
I'd rather they not find shields, but a "barrier" to protect the hull plating or something.
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forcefields were already invented in a previous ENT episode, but they were unstable, so they were only used for a brief moment. Can't recall the episode name though.
In ENT "Vox Sola", with the slime entity. But there's a BIG difference between THAT and something that would go around the outside of a ship. ;-)
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I'd rather they not find shields, but a "barrier" to protect the hull plating or something.
Well going back to ENT "Twilight", I bet they will eventually get the tech from the Andorians. That was just too big of a hint and it was plausible, IMHO, especially since ENT "Proving Ground" seemed to underscore that the Andorian tech is much better than the NX-01's tech.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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Well... ENT "Twilight" suggests that they would get shield tech from the Andorians. I would HOPE that this WILL be the case. I don't like all this future tech being "given" to this crew. It doesn't allow Humanity to go through some hard knocks and get riled up to succeed, which is one of the very natures of Humanity that has been brought out in Trek.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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But isn't one of the inherent benefits of forming a Federation to share technology? I would find it strange if all of humanity's tech was human-driven by the TOS era. I think it's only natural to assume that once the Federation is formed, technology is shared among the members to develop what becomes "Federation" technology.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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Steve - did you REALLY read my post? Read it again. You have so blinded yourself to some fixed perspective of me that you immediately jumped on the comment and missed the fact that I said that I HOPED that the tech would come from the Andorians.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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I don't know why you assume there's anything personal about my comment. I was just responding to the issue of
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I don't like all this future tech being "given" to this crew. It doesn't allow Humanity to go through some hard knocks and get riled up to succeed, which is one of the very natures of Humanity that has been brought out in Trek.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
double post, my bad.
Language. There are children present.
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"Suspension is not necessary. A good beating will suffice." Mystic__FlameX on Klingonharder
...the same B.S. as before.
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Personally, I think this all sounds great. It'll explain away T'Pol's unVulcan-like behavior while introducing a cool twist about a main character being addicted to an alien substance. The finale title is cool, it sounds like early planning for a fourth season is underway, and E2 also sounds like it'll be lots of fun. No longer can you say ENT is boring. It may not have hit all the right notes this season, but it's a far cry from the wayward series we saw the first two seasons.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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Ditto all of that. I like the fact that they're looking to approach S4 with more storyline arcs, rather than 20-something standalone episodes. If Enterprise can make it all the way to Season Four without laying another egg, I'm very interested in seeing what lies ahead.
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Stupid is as stupid does. :)
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I don't know about that. This whole month of sweeps episodes has been one big bore. Some of these plots sound interesting, but given the history of these people, it's not possible for them to sustain anything good for any period of time.
It just seems dumb to have a Vulcan on the show and not have that Vulcan be a Vulcan. But this kind of addiction is a way to explain away the lousy writing. Now if only we can get an episode that can explain away the whole series... That would be the ultimate finale--let the characters be heroic and turn the whole show into an alternate timeline, Yesterday's Enterprise style.
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I don't agree. There could be a lot of drama and power in why she is addicted to Trellium-D. As the only Vulcan on the ship she is the only reason that the NX-01 is not up to par with the other Expanse based ships as far a defenses goes against the Anomalies. It would be "logical" for her to attempt to develop an immunity to it therby allowing her shipmates the added defense of Trellium-D. Not to underestimate that but Vulcans, as far as 22nd Century humans are concerned, do not demonstrate this kind of effort and loyalty towards humans. Potentially this kind of demostration would go a long way in further bringing together humans and vulcans.
All just speculation but, I'm going to let it play out before I judge things. That has demostrated itself to be a wise course of action this season in regards to spoilers and plot info.
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As the only Vulcan on the ship she is the only reason that the NX-01 is not up to par with the other Expanse based ships as far a defenses goes against the Anomalies. It would be "logical" for her to attempt to develop an immunity to it therby allowing her shipmates the added defense of Trellium-D.
That would be an excellent plot point and I hope that's how they've done it.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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I entirely disagree except with respect to "Doctor's Orders."
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
LOL
I guess T'Pol is trying to adapt herself into being able to function in the presence of Trellium, a little at a time, like people who supposedly build up a resistence to arsenic by ingesting it? Ummmm... okay. ;-)
They have made it a point to make this character the most sickly, most physically AND mentally unstable main character EVER in Star Trek. Surpassing the likes of those who might happen to be sent to the Tantulus Penal Colony of TOS and put through the "neuroneutralizer" by a Dr. Tristan Adams or a Dr. Van Gelder, which can essentially empty one's mind. ;-)
Let's just hope that they make it to a season 4. Interestingly enough it almost seems like ENT "Azati Prime" was done like a just-in-case finale as well, just in case they do a Jake 2.0 to ENT. We shall see.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
He doesn't even know what he's doing. Hopefully Zero Hour will be BERMAN'S finale--assuming there even IS a season 4.
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Berman suggests we'll learn a reason for 'T'Pol's strange behavior this season: a future episode may reveal that she has become addicted to small doses of Trellium-D, the substance known to cause instanity in Vulcans from "Impulse."
Finally!
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