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By: Jadzia-Dax (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:32:00 on Jan 08, 2004

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She doesn't seem to know that Sarek married a human.

And this one doesn't seem to know that Sarek had married a "Vulcan Princess" who bore a son, before he married the Human named Amanda. And that after Amanda died, he married another Human woman named Perrin.

And this one also doesn't realize that even within this show when the "Vulcans only mate every 7 years" was bandied about in dialog in the Mess Hall as a joke in "Fusion", the assumption was that this literally meant having intercourse (which is why it was considered funny for some silly junior high school age reason)

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They don't need to back away from this.

It should have been followed through to its natural conclusion during the first season.

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It's a step in the right direction, IMHO,

Not the way it is being presented now.

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and that comes from soemone who's pushing 40, is more than familiar with Trek and who loathes soap operas. Trek should be devoid of any romance or sex? Any romance or sex is pandering? Unworthy of Trek?

And when you're over 40 like I am, you will find that the sex obsession is just that, a silly obssession. It gets put into perspective out of the juvenile and into the real world and its place in it. ;-)

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Folks, I don't understand this aversion to any form of sex or physical intimacy on ENT.

Where have you concluded that? This seems pretty exaggerated.

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We're this offended because it's a Vulcan character?

She's not a Vulcan, that much is clear. ;-) Braga seems to almost suggest this now.

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We're morally outraged?

Morality has nothing to do with it.

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Who cares? It's not inconsistent with canon. Trek isn't a sacred entity.

And I guess character resets are now the norm. One week they're critically ill with an incurable disease and soon to die, the next week they're just fine and dandy, no sign of any illness. ;-)

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God isn't going to smite anyone because they haven't conformed to the Trek bible.

Seems that the 8,000,000 viewers who left after the premier ARE that smiting, don't you think?

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I've come to realize that Trek's two biggest enemies are not Rick Berman and Brannon Braga. Trek's biggest obstacles are 1.)UPN and 2.)Its fans narrow, rigid expectation of "what Trek should be." I can't fathom the negative reaction to this article.

Actually, the part about T'Pol is inconsequential at this point. The MAJOR spoiler about Archer is much more interesting in that I hope that whatever occurs is substantial AND meaningful within the context of the way this character has been written and will help to add some depth to the character. A layer that takes him from the poor little only child rich kid Eagle Scout badge-having, water polo-playing, world-travelling, hobnobbing-with-Ambassadors-as-a-kid-'cause-Daddy-was-in charge-of-the-Warp-5-program Captain and also move him away from the spoiled brat temper-tantrum-having newbie, to a mature adult and experienced leader.

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RE: LOL | Report this post to moderator
By: O. Deus (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:36:58 on Jan 08, 2004

I'm certainly not opposed to any and all romance on Star Trek. I think it has a place and a function...when done right. But it shouldn't be done just for the sake of showing a relationship in order to keep viewers tuning in or to showcase some T&A.

And I think you'd find it hard to deny that Star Trek does not have a good track record on relationships. Consider Troi and Riker, Troi and Worf, Bashir and Dax, Dax and Worf, Ezri and Whomever, Paris and Torres, Neelix and Kes, EMH and Seven, Kim and Seven, Seven and Chakotay, Janeway and Chakotay...

Did any of this really add to the show or actually detract from it?

My opinion would be that it wasted valuable time that could have been put to better use. I don't think the writers are capable of writing a realistic relationship or doing so in a way that doesn't weaken the characters or be exploitative. And from where I stand, the T'Pol-Tucker thing is unrealistic, it weakens the characters and its exploitative. In Las Vegas that would be a jackpot.

And to boot it also plays havoc with Star Trek continuity. I mean Sarek and Amanda's relationship is a world away from T'Pol and Tucker's erotic massages or T'Pol racing around the ship in her underwear in heat. The former was legitimate and dignified, the latter borders on soft core.

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