RE: It is time to wrap this thing up NOW! | Report this post to moderator
By: The TREKMAN!!!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:29:14 on Jan 05, 2004

"And you do know something about good story telling?"

Of course!

"What have you published?"

It doesn't matter if I've published anything or not. I can read, and there are a lot of books I have read that are slow in the beginning, where all you get is more questions than answers and then at the end, everything comes together. Read some Harry Potter books!

"Do you think I don't know what is going on? You think I don't read what is posted here?"

I'm guessing you won't go and see a movie if you read a bad review about it. Reading what people post on these boards and actually watching are two different things. I thought you were that smart to know that.

"No it is just some more mindless unscripted B&B writing."

You're just assuming on your own personal opinions! You have no REAL proof other than your opinion.

"Well good for you and you still know nothing about this so called "fantastic story line" and the season is half over now."

IT'S THE F&%#ING BEGINNING!!!!!! And I do have an idea on this arch.

"Again I knew you would jump on this Romulan war thing. That makes 8 now."

I'm only commenting on your Romulan War comments. Are you that stupid?

"When people talk about WWII they DO happen to mention some of the details."

Not ALL the time.

"They don't go "some little German guy who might of had three stage syphilis killed 6 million jews"."

Well of course, but I'm talking about a short and to the point paragraph-long speech as what Spock had to do on the Romulan Wars.

"Do you watch ANYTHING that is on the History channel. They go into great detail about WWII. No one sits there and goes "WWII Germans bad, lots dead, we won" next topic."

Oh come on! Of course the History Channel would go into great detail on WWII, but I am not talking about the HC, you idiot! People don't go into great detail on WWII when they need to explain it short and to the point.

"The episode in TOS makes NO reference to the Xindi because there is no connection to the Romulan war."

There was no need! All Spock needed to explain was why the NZ was created in the first place in a short and to the point way. When you are talking about WWI casually, you hardly mention that the assassination of Archduke Ferninand was the cause of the war or that the end of the age of Imperialism was also an indirect cause of the war. The Xindi incident could be an indirect cause of the Romulan Wars. Don't you know your history?

"They are not going to go from one war arc to another."

I don't really consider the Xindi arch as a war arch. I want a war arch like the Dominion war arch.

"This show is suppose to be about the foundation of the Federation. NOT FIGHTING WARS WEEK AFTER WEEK."

Well, if you made a show about the founding of the United States, there would be a war arch. Face it, wars are the perfect way to create a new nation. We see that all over history.



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You may be oversimplifying the Romulan Wars | Report this post to moderator
By: Cap'n Calhoun (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:56:48 on Jan 05, 2004

Just a comment on one particular point...

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Quote:"BECAUSE THEY WERE BREIF COMMENTS!!!!! THEY COULDN'T GIVE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE ENTIRE WAR, HOW IT STARTED, AND HOW IT ENDED. Spock just needed a short and to the point comment about the Romulan Wars. When you talk about World War II, do you explain in great detail of how in started and what happened during the war? NO! If you want to know how the Xindi ties in to the Romulan Wars, read some of my threads!

Again I knew you would jump on this Romulan war thing. That makes 8 now. When people talk about WWII they DO happen to mention some of the details. They don't go "some little German guy who might of had three stage syphilis killed 6 million jews". Do you watch ANYTHING that is on the History channel. They go into great detail about WWII. No one sits there and goes "WWII Germans bad, lots dead, we won" next topic. The episode in TOS makes NO reference to the Xindi because there is no connection to the Romulan war.

Actually, the World War II comparison is a perfect example of how these details can be omitted. You can watch a movie about the holocaust like "Life is Beautiful" and never hear about the Japanese-American conflict, or watch a movie like "Pearl Harbor" and almost forget that the Germans were involved in the war. World War II was a complex battle involving dozens of nations. Even if you were only discussing U.S. involvment in the war, one could easily get the idea that the U.S. was "only fighting Germany" or "only fighting Japan", especially if you were to base all of your knowledge on a few overheard tidbits. And even if you recognized both of those nations, you might not realize or remember that Italy was one of the Axis Powers, or even realize what the Axis Powers were, or remember who the Soviet Union was allied with or who their enemies were... Come to think of it, you yourself only mentioned the Germans.

To use a Star Trek example, who were the Dominion's allies and enemies during the Federation/Dominion war?

Allies:
Breen
Cardassians

Non-aggression pacts:
Bajorans
Miradorn
Romulans
Tholians

Enemies:
Bajorans
Cardassians
Federation
Klingons
Romulans

If you were to take any discussion about who was involved in the war or which sides they were on, the answers would vary widely depending on the time frame and the depth of the discussion. Most discussions wouldn't even mention some of the parties mentioned above.

Again, the point is this: A few brief phrases won't tell you everything there is to know about a complex struggle.

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