Alot of peeps on here piss on Nemesis for an 'rip off of ST2' or copy. Despite having major plot point differences, themes, and actors/characters. Yes Data sacrifices himself to save the ship. But Shinzon and the theme of ;what makes us different is beyond skin deep'
Well we see the imagination of Abrahms here.... behold the true remake....
Star Trek: The Rehash of Khan
What a joke....
Alot of peeps on here piss on Nemesis for an 'rip off of ST2' or copy. Despite having major plot point differences, themes, and actors/characters. Yes Data sacrifices himself to save the ship. But Shinzon and the theme of ;what makes us different is beyond skin deep'
Well we see the imagination of Abrahms here.... behold the true remake....
Star Trek: The Rehash of Khan
What a joke....
This shouldn't be here.
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Another problem with using Khan is that Khan comes from 1996 Earth. This is canon. Nero can't change that.
Yes, in the real world, there was no Khan, but Star Trek is NOT the real world, so it really doesn't matter.
JJ will need to acknowledge that Khan is from the 20th century, or he will have to change that, and thus violate canon and hurt his story even more.
Ironic that despite destroying the prime universe, he chose to use a character that Nero's actions couldn't affect and put himself in a corner.
Khan comes from 1996. That's a hard fact.
It will be interesting to see if JJ blows it off. It will be equally interesting seeing those that worship him accept it blindly.
The character is a super human test tube (genetically engineered)character. Just because he was created in a lab in India, Pacifica or wherever doesn't mean the character has to be "Indian". Kahn is genetically engineered and that means he could be any combination of a human including white.
That's why I over looked Ricardo Montalban being Asian when he clearly was not. If I remember correctly in the original series episode Space Seed, I think there were different ethnic groups that were all engineered at the same place and all on the same ship. White, Asian, Indian, Black etc... So this proves my point I think.
I actually think the character Kahn should have been a different ethnic group (just because of Montalban). But after Benicio bowed out JJ probably went with the next best actor. Or I would like to think so.
There clearly is a lot of bias in the industry, I never said there wasn't. And that is tragically wrong. But I think JJ has proven that he has cast lots of characters in the past that aren't just white.
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I believe the Khan "news" is misinformation.
My initial reaction to all this is one of mild disappointment as I was just hoping that this new incarnation of Trek would find its own voice, its own adventures and its own heroes and villains rather than cherry picking events and characters from past Trek and jumbling them around but so be it.
At this stage, I'm now curious as to how Khan's backstory will be explained. Will they retcon him into being a late 21st century tyrant (as opposed to the late 20th century as in the original show) or will they go the route of the Khan novels and have him be a shadowy figure from the 20th century? Will the Botany Bay look the same or be redesigned to make it a more interesting vehicle for the big screen? The presence of Spock Prime would suggest that they'll know right out of the gate that he is probably dangerous and a threat so any initial mystery surrounding the character is probably out the window. Will Marla McGivers factor into the plot as well or is she (and all the other genetically engineered superbeings) written out of the story in short order?
I don't think going with Khan was the most daring or imaginative path that could have been taken but I also think it can open a can of worms in terms of explaining who he is, where he came from and using him in a unique and interesting way. Frankly, given the writing staff's prior accomplishments (commercially successful but hardly masterpieces of storytelling) I don't think they have it in them to come up with a satisfying story that trumps what we've seen from Khan in the prime universe.
So who will be cast as Kruge in the next film? Since they're obviously using the films rather than coming up with, you know, NEW STORIES. I figure Hugh Laurie would be perfect.
For the remake of Voyage Home, I think Zooey Deschenel is the best choice for Gillian Taylor. Of course when Star Trek V: The Final Frontier 2.0 is made, I can't think of anyone I'd rather see play Sybok than Jim Carrey. And by the time they remake Undiscovered Country David Tennant should be old enough to play a kick-ass General Chang!
Hey, there you go. I've solved the casting problems for the rest of the Trek series.
Jesus, I only thought Trek 2.0 was just a handy monicker for the new series. I didn't expect it to be taken literally.
(And OK, so it's a remake of Space Seed, not Wrath of Khan. Fine - David Tennant as Trelane is a good starting point. Hey, maybe we might find ourselves with a THIRD version of "The Changeling"!)
I don't care about Nimoy appearing as Spock Prime. Although it continues to prevent the bird from leaving the nest solo, there were plot threads left open in the last film. So OK, fine. But Khan? That pretty much closes the book on this film for me.
Al
Sometimes he makes good stuff. Sometimes he makes bad stuff. But trust me, the first phone number on JJ's speed dial is the marketing department, not the script writers.
At least he could have hired an actor of Arab or Indian descent for the role...but that isn't good marketing either.
And to think I was one of the first advocates of recasting the original characters. Yech.
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Once we saw spock in the suit, I briefly wondered/hoped we'd get another go at Naked Time. The suit looks like a realistic take on the one in NT.
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Well this is really disappointing news!
Wasn't the whole idea of rebooting the franchise, by having Nero go back in time to change history, so that the writers were not tied down by the constraints of existing Trek lore? Wasn't this supposed to allow them to come up with new and fresh ideas?
So what do they do? They show a complete lack of originality and rehash an existing villain. Sure they can change the story of Khan, but it's still revisiting old ground, something that had already been pre-established. Why not do something completely new?
If this is indeed true, Benedict Cumberbatch has huge shoes to fill.
The worst kind of bad guys are the ones who you think are your friend and then they turn around and stab you in the back. I for one think J.J. and crew will go about Kahn in a different light.
He may be a good guy in this flick and then turn evil at the very end. Have it come off that he is good and Spock prime is either bad, wrong or suffering from Vulcan Alzheimers. No one believes Spock prime for some reason.
That sounds way more interesting than same ole Kahn if you ask me. Either way I think Kahn plus Klingons are going to make for some great Trek. Can't wait!
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Don't know if I like the idea if even rumored true. As stated by a number of us before, it only seems logical that Spock Prime would tell Starfleet (in a very top secret way of course) about some of the things that would probably be happeneing even with the time shift (Khan, Doomsday Machine). I think it would be smart for starfleet to go find Batany Bay soon as possible and not wake any of them up or at least drop them off somewhere (presumably not in the Ceti Alpha system) and set them to automaticly awaken. The Klingon involvement (if true) is interesting. Do they just happen upon Khan? And could the Augment storyline somehow figure into things? And of course the question of what the Klingons will look like will become more prevelant.
... Spock Prime knows Khan. Had dinner with him once. He could be enormously helpful in warning Kirk about him, trying to prevent him from being dumped on Ceti Alpha again.
Spock Prime died once defeating Khan. Will it happen again ... ?
Oh dear.
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Two key things to remember:
1) This will NOT be a re-make of Wrath of Khan because there is no previous meeting of the two men. Remember, the S.S. Botany Bay was unaffected by Nero's changing of the timeline. This will simply be what happens when the new universe discovers Khan on that sleeper ship. Who knows, maybe the Klingons find him first this time!
2) If this film is to be the Star Trek franchise's Dark Knight, then they HAD to go big villian-wise. Khan is the Joker in this case and the possibilities are huge.
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They can't remake TWOK. If, because of the events of Star Trek 2009, Khan is now on Ceti Alhpa V, there's no reason for Khan to blame Kirk. The relationship doesn't work and we have Nemesis all over again.
It must be a remake of Space Seed...or not.
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I have to say I am fucking stoked after reading these.
And to those who don't care for the choice of Khan, just keep in mind that no matter what they opted to do, there would be SOMEONE out there pissed off about it.
Just give it a chance to see what exactly they're doing with it.
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One thing I am sure of is that JJ and the team will not be 'remaking' Khan.
They are to bloody clever to go and do that... they know it will give everyone the shits!
The last movie had the 'villan', don't you think it would be a little boring to follow up with a movie about another evil man casing troubles?
Nah, JJ's team wont do it.
One of the repercussions of the incredible secrecy JJ has over the movie are these bottom of the barrel rumours... no one has a clue as to whats really happening!
All I can say is I can't wait for the first teaser.
I have to admit that I'm a little surprised, but not disappointed. Honestly, I'm not even that surprised. Khan is a huge character and, in terms of cache, could really bring in crowds. Lets face it, this is a different sort of Trek and there was bound to be at least one movie that was going to dip into the well.
I'm really excited to see what these guys are going to do with Khan, and Spock Prime. Oh, and I'm super excited to see that Spock is back. And the Klingons? Shit ya.
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