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By: Commodore Stickler (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:06:34 on Jun 14, 2011 | (1)

(In response to StilKiroks response to my post below - still don't know why threading isn't working properly)

Dude, I was just having fun and I thought the post itself made that fairly obvious.

This is the problem with some Trekies: they are so concerned about being right with regard to their own points of view about Trek that they just can't have fun with it anymore.

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No remake = GREAT news | Report this post to moderator
By: NCC-1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:02:08 on Jun 13, 2011

That would have been so lame and cheap

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I've got definitive proof... | Report this post to moderator
By: Captain Jeff (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:12:46 on Jun 13, 2011

...that the "Prime Universe" still exists: my DVDs still work. Everything's still there, any claims to the contrary are just a delusion.

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Ridiculous | Report this post to moderator
By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:51:22 on Jun 13, 2011

That's ridiculous. Just because there isn't a line saying "the prime universe is intact", that doesn't mean the prime universe went away. You are the one jumping to that conclusion. It's still there. There is no more Romulus, of course, but it's still there.

The question is, will we ever see another show set in the prime universe? Maybe, maybe not. The way I figure it is, we weren't going to get one for a LONG time, if ever, after Nemesis and the cancellation of Enterprise. So if the prime universe is your thing, then you were out of luck no matter what.

At least this way, there is some interest generated in the franchise, which creates opportunities later on to revisit the prime universe. And odds are, it will be nothing like you ever saw before anyway- it will have the continuity of the prime universe, but be set probably a generation or more after the events of Nemesis/Romulus blowing up.



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Alternate-Shmalternate | Report this post to moderator
By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:26:22 on Jun 13, 2011

I remember right after I saw the film I complained that, among other things, they had wasted precious script and film real estate on this whole
"alternate reality" thing just to placate the nerds. Gah...who cared, I scoffed. But I guess in retrospect, considering it's still even a topic to discuss, JJ did what he felt was "right" in terms of dealing with the hard line elements of Trekdom that would require the explanation of a new cast and a new story to "make sense."

Well played, Abrams.

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Re: Time Travel | Report this post to moderator
By: Commodore Stickler (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:12:40 on Jun 13, 2011 | (2)

(In response to Terry 212 below - I don't know why it's not threading my responses correctly) Technically, Star Trek IV wasn't a "fix-the-past" type of story. It was a "fix-the-present" type of story where they had to retrieve something from the past in order to fix it. Although, technically, if we are following Abram-verse time-travel rules, three alternate universes were created in that movie. 1) the universe that no longer has Kirk and crew because they left it, 2) the universe that no longer has the humpback's and 3)a universe that should technically have two Kirk crews but which was saved by the arrival of the humpbacks, unless that Universe's Kirk & crew also left to find help and were replaced by the prime crew, which essentially creates a mirror copy of the prime verse which would be indistinguishable from the prime by an outside observer, unless the prime's crew wasn't replaced by one arriving from another alternate universe in which case the prime is now very different but we don't know what it looks like because we haven't seem it since the beginning of Star Trek IV, which would likely mean that TNG, DS9 and VOY were all set in the original prime2 universe which we have mistaken for the prime universe because we didn't understand that the temporal cold war in Ent was actually creating thousands and thousands of alternate universe's which then began to bleed into each other (which is why we had a random entire episode of the mirror universe in Ent, which wasn't really the mirror universe as we know it but was in reality the prime2 mirror universe created by the Borg's interference from the future in the prime2 universe of TNG which created a preceding prime2 mirror universe by turning Cochrane into a warlord) in which case this entire discussion is mute because we have in reality been watching dozens and dozens of alternate universes throughout the years which we only began to notice recently but assumed were continuty errors on the parts of the writers but were in fact a cleverly thought out well-crafted device to get Trek fans to argue and gripe at each other, thus utilizing one of the first rules of publicity which states that even bad publicity is good publicity and we all fell for it until Trek 2009 finally came out and Abrams inadvertently gave away the biggest secret in Trek history which in itself has created an alternate universe, one in which Braga is a genius!

Nah, I'll just go with the idea that they switched time-travel theories.

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Re: Time Travel | Report this post to moderator
By: Commodore Stickler (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:55:14 on Jun 13, 2011 | (1)

(In response to StillKirok below - somehow the threading got messed up when I replied). The 2009 movie firmly established what this interview spells out. Did you not hear Spock's whole monologue on a new series of events creating an alternate timeline? They put that in the movie to specifically tell the audience that this was a different universe now.

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Re: Time Travel | Report this post to moderator
By: Commodore Stickler (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:54:54 on Jun 13, 2011 | (1)

Duplicate duplicate post.

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Re: Time Travel | Report this post to moderator
By: Commodore Stickler (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:54:48 on Jun 13, 2011 | (1)

Duplicate post.

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The case was open? | Report this post to moderator
By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:13:25 on Jun 12, 2011

Why do people have a problem with this? It's an alternate universe. It totally works for me. I think it's ingenious, really. We can have our cake and eat it, too.

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By: Spaceball One (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:11:14 on Jun 12, 2011

Case closed (even though we all know it won't be).

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