Ask and ye shall "Hey Johnny"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHA6tNgbac
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An elephant never forgets . . .TO KILL!
Really ? I am going to say the same. I am a LOT better looking that Mr Smith LOL
Gustavo
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TrekWeb.com Supervising Editor
gl2000@uol.com.br
I'm curious as to what cuts Smith suggested that Abrams made.
I haven't viewed any of the deleted scenes but I have heard of a few, some of which I really want to know why they were cut.
1. Spock Prime makes a comment about how the timeline is correcting itself. Interesting line, and the writers have mentioned it on several occasions. Sounds like it was important to them. Why cut it?
2. Why does young James Kirk yell, "JOHNNNY" when he stole the car? In the script, and in the novelization, he was supposed to yell "SAM," and it may have even been filmed that way and changed. Why? The kid he yelled at had little significance in the movie, however, clearly, the intent was for the kid to be Sam Kirk. As done in the movie, keeping it Sam would have made sense. First, for those that KNOW Sam Kirk exists, they will get it. And for those that don't, the line would have no less significance than yelling "Johnny." They did it right in the novelization.
3. At some point in the original script, and I don't know whether it was filmed, Kirk was supposed to get a commendation for original thinking at the end of the movie for his work in the Kobayashi Maru. They REALLY dropped the ball there by cutting that out. The big point of that test was to do the homage to TWOK. Go all the way. Obviously, the movie isn't hurt by that, but in the final scene when we were getting our happy ending, and Kirk was getting his command, might as well take care of that unfinished business. I wonder if it was filmed.
There is nothing more predicatble on this forum than how you guys will respond when ANY interview involves Wil Wheaton or Kevin Smith. The fact-of-the-matter is, the man is ten times more qualified to give advice to his friend J.J. Abrams than ANY of you guys are. If you are bitter and jealous that a man who looks exactly like you do, actually made it somewhere in life? Someone who is actually contributing to the SciFi/Comic universe, rather than just bitching about it on forums like this? Take it out on yourselves, not him. Kevin Smith hangs in a circle that includes J.J. Abrams, Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino. Their directing styles may be different and rub against the grain sometimes -- but i'll take that over anything that was produced in the Star Trek world in the last decade leading up to the new film.
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-- Steve
"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
You and your big mouth, Smith!
Seriously though, too many cuts were made.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
The "deal" is that he can't make a movie worth anything. He can't write, he can't direct, he sure as hell can't act, and he claims to be funny when he knows that he isn't. Not to mention that his "movies" are full of nothing but his perverted agendas of drugs, anti-Christianity, perversion, and a constant barrage of four-letter words that not even 409 or Comet could clean up.
His "script" for that piece of crap Superman script was a total abomination that disrespected the legend. He had no business commenting on the Batman DVDs at all, because he had absolutely zero involvement in the movies to begin with. And all of his "movies" fail because nobody's interested in what he has to say.
And his "education" came from comic books? I don't think he's ever had a real job or a girlfriend in his existence. If he ever comes to his senses, he should realize that he needs to stay away from movies, especially Star Trek, and let the professionals like Abrams and co. do it.
So there.
Smith is correct that for Spock to simply say (and perhaps off-screen) 'Jim' would have had superb impact, it would have been A Moment.
But after that, what? To start at such a high emotional beat, the script needs to have somewhere else to go.
Also, let's not forget that this is a hundred-of-years-old Spock talking to an early 30something (late 20something?) Kirk, so the 'relationship' is not two-way, so I think an emotional 'Jim' from Spock would have also made for an odd or uncomfortable response from Kirk.
The line, as delivered in the movie, works far better – it doesn't start on too 'high' a moment, it gives the script somewhere to go, and it allows for Kirk's response to be more measured.
I think the new movie works incrediblely and it is beatifully edited and filmed. If Mr Smith helped Mr Abrams with a bit here and there in the editing, thats fine, but I cant care less. I am no fan of Kevin Smith movies, but he is no JJ Abrams, thats for sure.
Gustavo
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TrekWeb.com Supervising Editor
gl2000@uol.com.br
He's right--it would have been better, but not a big deal.
I find Kevin Smith to be kind of hit or miss in regards to his opinions (he loved the last Star Wars prequel movie, for example) but on this one I think he's right.
It really would have been better for Spock to have said, "Jim..." Also, I think Nimoy should have delivered the "I have been and always shall be your friend" line more like he did in WOK, and maybe even with a touch of a smile at the end. That would have made that scene perfect.
Who gives a crap what that @$$-face Smith thinks? He just sounds pissed that he didn't get a chance at it and that J.J. Abrams got every beat exactly right. Smith ought to go back to his momma's basement and smoke his crack pipe. Better yet, he needs to quit talking out of both sides of his @$$, because the only thing that's coming out of both ends is a load of crap.
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