Folks, this is all supposition. It's just nice that people are excited enough about TREK again to be starting rumors.
Gustavo
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Now that would be a cool idea to explore further for a STAR TREK film: Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock and the crew of the ENT take on Section 31.
We really know little about them (canon). And there have been some novels covering them. But they are the type of organization we can relate to and understand - the abuse of power and authority as a means to guard and protect - loosely interpreting its chartered purpose. A backstory would be great to include on how their authority was inserted into the UFP charter.
If what is meant by this 'new' beginning is that literally now anything goes and we are to somehow forget all the history we've seen re the Enterprise from TOS, to TNG as well as DS9 and Voyager and all films, so that there might not even be a Captain Picard or a William Riker... then I'm not at all pleased and would also find that direction both confusing and just not worth my interest. Having seen and watched and experieced all the various directions ST has so far gone, some good, some great, some bad, some unfortunate perhaps, the one thing I would not be prepared to do is to give up their very existence from the universe; as if by the so called 'new beginning' it took away the actual existence of all those events and people. For me, that would be a totally destructive direction for it would, in fact, be exactly that, the destruction of all the things that made Star Trek what it is. I hope I have misunderstood what is meant by this 'new beginning'.
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by rassmguy @ 18:12:00 on May 16
Not overreatcting in the least. I feel I was right. The movie is a financial success and many of the poeple who liked it were either:
A: non-Trek fans
B: TNG, DS9 et all haters who care only for original Trek (and even then not all of them)
C: Trek fans who are so hungry for Trek they will swallow anything just to get that Trek fix. I doubt anyone here would have tolerated this in the days of Berman when we had 100 episodes and a new feature every two years or so. They would have screamed for his head.
Don't think I am bashing a Khan or Kirk movie for no reason. I am bashing the idea. Those jerseys are up in the rafters and retired. Leave them alone. This this timeline. Go in to the future and create something new. Don't just paint over what's been done. Lave that fat-ass Shatner out of it. His days with Trek are done. He exited a hero. I am among the few who liked Generations- despite its weak points. And Khan? read "To Reign in Hell" and "The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh" and you'll see why that character is complete.
Fuck that miserable Abrams and the two testicles he has to do his writing. (and the piece of shit called Transformers they worked on)
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by rassmguy @ 18:09:09 on May 16
...and not have William Shatner even considered in the next film.
Yes - I know - fun ideas to toss around but we have a new cast and new direction within the franchise: it's time they move forward under their own steam without further Spock Prime, Kirk Prime - just the Prime Directive, thank you.
Personally - I would love to see one of the future films take on the horror genre, where we learn why space is danger and disease wrapped in darkness and silence. I'm sure I've posted this suggestion before but it's just one area where we can explore the premise further that space exploration is not for the faint at heart.
But one suggestion I would like to see - a subplot - is the inroduction of Dr. Carol Marcus as a civilian crew member? - she and Kirk fall and love - but she decides to leave with their son - as we were told in Khan - "you had your world and I had mine, not chasing throughout the universe with his father." She leaves Enterprise - he promises to stay away.
Parenthood - that's not for the faint at heart either.
Whether there is even a small chance or not of putting Shatner in a new Star Trek movie... this man HAS to get on a low carb diet or something.
It'll just be a big joke if he's rolling around the screen looking like James Doohan.
For a guy with such a huge ego, you'd think he'd get his act together, put down the pastry so he can pick up a pastry.
If someone can whip him back into shape, it would bring that much more legitimacy to the character and to Shatner playing the role again.
Otherwise after the scene where Chris Pine meets his future self .. they'll constantly need to have Spock slip in fat jokes for the rest of the movie.
Stop all the BS Khan talk. WE DON'T WANT KHAN!
Want a better idea? Kirk vs the Borg. Kirk is the only star trek character we've never seen take on the Borg. In this new timeline, it can happen. And they can even tie in the Doomsday Machine. Now take that and run with it, and please stop all this crap-Khan talk.
If they truly want to really piss the fans off more than wiping out canon already did, then sure, do Khan.
Khan should be untouchable at this point.
But Shatner? That's a different possibility. Yes to Shatner, absolutely no to Khan.
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by rassmguy @ 12:54:13 on May 16
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by Kamen Rider Blade @ 23:32:36 on May 20
Yep. They are going to slut Trek for all they can now.
I've been reading over the last week the reponses to rumors about Shatner being in the next and, even the pro-new shit-movie people are starting to worry about how far this will go.
They have opened a huge can of worms here with the financial success (and, imo, conceptual failure) of the new film. The partitioned Trek hard-drive is going to showcase a nightmare of novelties. They'll break out that 70mm lens to squeeze Shatner's ass onto that screen now because they know know he - like Nimoy - will be good draws to get more people i nthe seats.
Don't want to see KHS and his superhumans return? You may be about to experience what others went through with this first new film.
They are going to rehash/reinvent/reboot/rewrite/redo ad nauseum and the 100mil they made this w/e will be used as justification to do whatever they like. They'll throw in a couple of sound bytes of Shatner saying "The Great Bird would have wanted this" and "the overwhelming reception we got for the first one got us thinking that..."
This is horrible news for Trek.
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by Kamen Rider Blade @ 23:34:29 on May 20
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by rassmguy @ 12:51:01 on May 16
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by GustavoLeao @ 16:07:22 on May 16
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by SuperDave @ 22:00:23 on May 16
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by GustavoLeao @ 09:34:49 on May 17
LOVED the movie.
Sequel = Yes, please.
Khan = No, thank you. Been there, done that. There's a whole universe that's been reborn and you want to go back to where we've been? Even if it's the Newverse, nope, not really thrilled with that.
Shatner = I love. I worship at his Kirk altar. But I don't want him in the next one. I really would be happier if it didn't happen.
Can't we go to some of those "strange new worlds to seek out new life and civilizations" and "boldly go" where we have't ever been before? Please!
One word solution: Klingons!
'Nuff said.
As much as I love the character of Khan, bringing him back in the same way to fill in the scope of a movie just might not do it. Someone had said Javier Bardem as Khan and that was fantastic. The thing is, if you're going to bring back Khan you have to find him and kill him in the same film (or severely wound him in some way). In other words, you can't make a movie with Khan to set up for the next Wrath of Khan.
If you bring back Khan, then his story has to be mixed with something else. Obviously not done the same exact way. Khan's timeline will have to be changed. You can't say he was in power in 1990's. It will have to be more like 2050's.... Something that lead up to Trek's idea of the third world war in the 2060's. Nothing was ever mentioned (that I remember) about how the trek canon world war 3 came about. Give it to Khan's generation. You can do a back story to encompass the first 15 or 20 minutes of the film, up until he and his group leave earth and ultimately wind up in a deep freeze.
As for William Shatner....I honestly believe William Shatner should be given his own Kirk feature. Not a big budget movie... Maybe an online, or SciFI network miniseries. There would be enough advertising space to pay for it. I don't see him being mixed in with the current cast. He is so passionate about playing Kirk again, I do believe he deserves it, just not along with this cast.
The most important thing to realize about the next movie is that this crew is together now... They have their backstory, which is what helped to make this new movie epic. You don't want the next movie to be accused of what half the Star Trek movies before it became, which was very expensive TV episodes.
Shatner cameo - yes
Khan - no
Cant wait for Star Trek XII, folks...
Gustavo
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