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Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman Talk Prequel Concept and Fan Rejection

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By GustavoLeao / 07:24, 13 January 2009 / Star Trek: Nemesis

FirstShowing.net posted the first part of their extensive interview with Star Trek movie writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman and here are few excerpts.

In relation to Star Trek, whose idea was it for the story to take place as a prequel?


Orci: We came to that independently. Certainly that was Alex and my instinct. The first time we ever heard what Paramount wanted it was the same. I'm not sure if they got it from us or we all arrived at that conclusion simultaneously.

Kurtzman: The other thing was that in looking at Trek in its glorious history, it just shocked us that the story of how the bridge crew came together was never told. It was referenced in bits and pieces but it was never told and it's only kind of the most epic big bang story that you could possibly tell in Star Trek. So it felt to us like if we were going to bring something new to the table, that that was the place to start. It just always started with Kirk and Spock for us. It was always about Kirk and Spock.


Orci: And even though I loved "The Next Generation," one of the reasons we felt that Star Trek possibly had passed us by is we never imagined that anyone would want to go back and take on the original Star Trek again. We thought no one would ever go for that and we were not interested in doing sort of the next- next- next- next- next generation. The idea of doing a new crew had already become an old idea and the new idea really was going back to the original crew.


I'm just fascinated how it all happened because Paramount could've made Star Trek 11 with another crew, but somewhere along the process someone said "let's reboot it," to use that term, and this is what we have now. Obviously there is a lot of buzz and interest and obviously it was the right direction to go.


Orci: That would be the idea we pitched and we never heard any resistance.


It's good to hear that's the direction they wanted to go, too.


Orci: Apparently. Or they have good poker faces, we're not sure which.


How has it been working with J.J. Abrams? Is he the best guy to work with in terms of making sure the script gets translated to the screen the way you guys wrote it? How much actual interaction did you have with him?


Orci: Absolutely. We were so lucky to get him to direct this movie. I'm sure you've been doing your own research about him and know that he only thought he was going to produce it. But it was always our secret goal, me, Alex and Damon Lindelof, to really persuade him to do this and persuade someone of his talent and of his caliber to give Star Trek the attention it deserves from a director like him. So we definitely tried to keep him involved but also tried to surprise him a little bit so that he'd have a reaction to it as well. We pitched him the story and as we'd go through writing it, we'd check in every 30 pages, we'd come in and tell him what we're going to write next and let him get kind of excited about it and just kind of kept him in the process throughout, hoping that he would fall in love with what we were all doing. God bless it, it worked.


Kurtzman: I think as a writer all you can hope for is that you will end up working with a director who will translate with the highest possible fidelity whatever you've written on the page to the screen. And having done 20 trillion episodes of "Alias" and then having just finished Mission: Impossible 3, which we all wrote together, there's a shorthand we have with each other. And I think JJ felt appropriately that Trek, if we were going to take the approach, needed a new set of eyes and a new perspective directorially, that it needed to be a little bit more rock 'n roll than previously figured and just bigger. We knew that at all costs, we needed to get him to do it. It was a long and slow process but ultimately, I think when the script was finished, he settled down quickly and we were thrilled.


Was there ever concern that the bigger aspect of this new Star Trek would be rejected by fans?


Kurtzman: Do you mean bigger or more action?


Both I guess. As I said, we know that this new version has become something that people have embraced, but was there ever concern when you guys were writing it, when nothing had been revealed yet, that this reboot was going to be rejected, whether it was because of the action, whether it was because of the bigger aspect, whether it was because the direction Abrams wanted to take it?


Orci: Sure. We certainly don't finish the script and go "Wow, that ought to take this world by storm. Let's go home." Anytime you finish something you hope it's received well but you have to follow your instincts. We felt pretty confident about it actually and obviously, when JJ agreed to direct it, we thought okay, that must mean something because he came around. So in a way, he was kind of our first test case in terms of whether or not we were heading down the right path. His stamp of approval, I think, made us infinitely more confident that we'd settled on the right idea.


Kurtzman: The other thing, we all speak a common language and one of the languages is the language of set pieces. "Alias" had two to three per episode and so we spent so much time analyzing set pieces and how they work and why they work and almost taking a three act structure approach to each set piece. Obviously, there were a lot of set pieces is Mission: Impossible 3, but a lot of the movies that we loved as kids were influenced by the same kind of approach. And so it felt like ironically, when we did "Alias", the set pieces and the action scenes were always what we wrote last. In a way, while we knew some of the things we wanted to do in Trek, we did not start from a place of set pieces.


The fact that the set pieces happen to reflect accurately the kind of emotional storytelling in Trek, was great for us, and so organic to the story as opposed to "Let's just have a big action sequence here because something like this has never been done in Star Trek before." It really just had to do with, did it feel right and did it feel honest and did it feel like it was consistent with what was going on story-wise. The fact is that, if an action sequence does not somehow further character development in a big way, then it shouldn't be there, period. We were more concerned with the non-fans.


Orci: We're fans enough to know we had enough of what Star Trek is about that we thought fans would like this Trek. We were much more concerned with is it going to be relevant to a general audience. And we know that was JJ's concern as well.

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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:57:53 on Jan 16, 2009 | Edit History (1)

[in response to prometheus 59650] Quote: Given you history on this topic [action movies], were you ever really 'in?'

Nope. Just somehow, hope never dies. But I was never 'in' for the movies.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:19:09 on Jan 13, 2009

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There is this very large audience called "Sci-Fi" that the studio hopes to catch.

"Very large"? That is where you are dellusional. It is not the 1960s anymore. The whole fascination and wonder for space and Sci-Fi has waned tremendously in the last two decades. You can knock the 17 year old all you want.. but as hard as it is for you to accept? It is those high school/college aged AVERAGE movie goers that make or break franchises these days. If Star Trek does not appeal to that audience then our beloved franchise is DEAD on the big screen. The sooner you crawl out of the basement and realize what decade this is? The easier this fact will be to accept.

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By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:44:12 on Jan 13, 2009 | Edit History (1)

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You have a guy who said "I was not a fan of Star Trek". Meyers said he was aware of Trek but never really watched it. Of course this was 25 years ago when there was little Trek.

Pretty much irrelevant. The point still stands. He was not a fan then and still isn't. So?

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One last thing, there was this movie called Nemesis with another guy who "was to take on a fresh approach" and look how well that turned out. Your argument is flawed.

As is yours, since one of the many issues with Nemesis was that there was nothing original about it.

And yes "BINGO"...As I've already explained to you in Shore Leave...to no response, that "fans" like you haven't BEEN sustaining the franchise and can't.

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PS- Aplogies to readers for any confusion. This was meant to be a reply elsewhere.

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Agreed--where's MCCOY? | Report this post to moderator
By: ScottN (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:30:18 on Jan 13, 2009

Just writing this then read Trapper Jeff's piece-- want to post to concur.

Okay, don’t post here very often, and have come around over time to the new Trek, be it reboot or alternate timestream or whatever. But this is the first interview that has made me worried that they may have gotten this wrong.

No, not because of the big action—TWOK had huge action (albeit on a small budget) and it worked just fine. No, because it seems the writers totally missed the fact that the central element that made TOS work was the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and MCCOY. That central dynamic—man of action vs. man of heart vs. man of brain—was what made Trek work. That was the underlying debate that made the series so unique, and so timeless.

It seemed from the preview and some of the promos that McCoy was getting put into a simple supporting role, with Uhura getting bumped up for demographic/marketing purposes. McCoy was almost literally the heart of the show. By relegating him to the background, you create a far more simple, and, to me, far less compelling dynamic between Kirk and Spock. For the first time, I am worried that this is really a “dumbed-down” Star Trek, slicing away a central tenet of the show in order to “move the plot.”

I still have hope, and maybe it’s in the film and just not being promoted, but the fact that the writers don’t even mention McCoy in this conversation is troubling to me.


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By: Trapper Jeff (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:17:52 on Jan 13, 2009

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It just always started with Kirk and Spock for us. It was always about Kirk and Spock.

It's been said before and I'll say it again: What about McCoy? The real center of TOS was Kirk, Spock AND McCoy. It would show their lack of understanding if the new movie doesn't address this three part relationship.


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RE: Kirk and Spock ONLY? by OV-101 @ 16:00:52 on Jan 13
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There was no other option folks. | Report this post to moderator
By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:47:49 on Jan 13, 2009

I think a lot of the people on here who are rejecting the whole "prequel" idea are forgetting a major point: this was the only real way to go.

The average, non-Star Trek fan probably has no idea who Picard, Sisko and Janeway are... and as a result would have ZERO Intrest in the next-next-next-crew to follow them. But i'd be willing to bet that a large percentage have at least heard of Captain Kirk and Spock. The uniforms too... iconic.

If Paramount was going to go with Star Trek XI it had to use a premise that would be familiar enough to intrest the non-fans and exciting enough to reinvigorate us fans who had gotten used to the recycled sets, jumpsuits and endless technobabble of the Berman-era.

Human nature is to reject change. But I am willing to accept it, if it means saving the franchise. And when a 17 year old skater at Starbucks who has never seen a lick of Trek in his life, sees the USS Enterprise on my credit card and tells me how much this new film is gonna "kick ass"? I'm sorry, but that's somethig that NO Next Generation movie trailer could ever do. Period.

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By: Terminal Frost (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:40:31 on Jan 13, 2009

I don't know why these two continue to do interviews because they contradict themselves and Abrams almost every time they speak. They really did not address fan rejection to a major degree.

Orci:We thought no one would ever go for that and we were not interested in doing sort of the next- next- next- next- next generation. The idea of doing a new crew had already become an old idea and the new idea really was going back to the original crew.

I guess the tired old concept of prequels never crossed their minds either.

Orci: That would be the idea we pitched and we never heard any resistance."

So all of this talk about being fans and that the story would not throw out the last 40 years was a lie after all. They have contradicted themselves so many times on this it is not funny.

Orci when JJ agreed to direct it, we thought okay, that must mean something because he came around. So in a way, he was kind of our first test case in terms of whether or not we were heading down the right path. His stamp of approval, I think, made us infinitely more confident that we'd settled on the right idea.

ENOUGH with the Abrams lovefest! My god! Why would you trust a guy who said "I was never a fan of Star Trek". They did 10 movies and 5 series. Either you liked it or not. You would think after Trek being around for 40 years getting a fan or a semi-fan would of been the right thing to do.

Kurtzman The fact is that, if an action sequence does not somehow further character development in a big way, then it shouldn't be there, period.

Huh? You put out a trailer with actions scenes in it for the shear purpose to trying to get peoples attention. So there is a big thing with the "kid Kirk" in the car over the cliff scene? Come on. I recall previous interviews where they wanted to do "action" scenes.

Kurtman We were more concerned with the non-fans.

BINGO!

Orci: We're fans enough to know we had enough of what Star Trek is about that we thought fans would like this Trek. We were much more concerned with is it going to be relevant to a general audience. And we know that was JJ's concern as well.

BINGO Twice!!!


Aside from paying Nimoy a shit load of money to do this film and wrapping it all around Nimoys ego. This movie will have very little to give the average Trek fan. There is little point investing any time with this "new" Trek. After a few years they will get bored with it and start it over again. They will ramble on about how it is too hard to stories within some guidelines and just want to make the same "origin" movie year after year. How many different version of "It's A Wonderful Life" do we really need? It seems Hollywood is going for the "Marvel Comics" idea of starting over every so many years and just rehash the same crap with a new guy who thinks his stuff is the "ultimate". It is quite sad. It is truly amazing that we even got TNG or DS9 and not TOS version 4.0. With the "Elvis" impersonator with the bad wig as Kirk






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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:22:41 on Jan 13, 2009

I don't like action movies. Nuff said.


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By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:53:14 on Jan 13, 2009

Whatever else...

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The man has a point.

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"If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty Humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being." ---Gene Roddenberry


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    Only stupid prequels are stupid. by prometheus 59650 @ 09:28:25 on Jan 13
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                RE: Prequels in general are stupid. by prometheus 59650 @ 10:54:27 on Jan 13
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                      So what's your explanation for TNG? by prometheus 59650 @ 12:37:50 on Jan 13
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