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Another Star Trek Footage Review, Criticizes J.J. Abrams - Major Spoilers 

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By GustavoLeao / 04:13, 19 November 2008 / Feature Films

Reviewer and Star Trek fan Jordan Hoffman of UGO posted a detailed review of the Star Trek footage show in New York early this week. While impressed with the 25 minutes of footage, Hoffman also criticizes director J.J. Abrams in his article. Here are few excerpts of his report, including his review of scene 3 :

 

"J.J. Abrams struts up like the smartest kid in Hebrew school.  The first thing out of his mouth - the very motherloving first thing out of his mouth - is "I've never been a fan of Star Trek." the reviewer wrote "WTF?!??!  Not only is this insulting and lame, it is rehearsed.  He's said this in interviews fifteen times already.  Maybe he thinks it is cute, but I just find it rude. J.J. Abrams needs to understand that he is a guest in our house.  If he can't be polite, we won't invite him over to play anymore.  It's as simple as that."
 
THIRD SCENE


I think this is actually fourth in the timeline of stuff we saw.  Spock is now in control of the Enterprise and he dispatches Kirk on some planet.  There he meets someone - old Spock.  L-Nim!  Leonard Nimoy.  The man that makes all of these canon paradoxes okay.


While we weren't given the set up, precisely, of what Spock is trying to do, we know that he must get Kirk back on the Enterprise.  To do this, they meet up with Scotty who has been dispatched to some lonely part of the galaxy for killing a chief muckity mucks dog with his intra-warp beaming techniques.


Simon Pegg is terrific as Scotty.  In fact, if it weren't for Urban as McCoy, I'd be losing my mind about Pegg.


To make a long story short, Spock gets Scotty to get Kirk back on board.  But not before raising an eyebrow, saying, "Fascinating" and slipping out a "Live long and prosper." Also - it would appear that Spock's closely vested emotions will become a major plot point in the story.  That Kirk will only be able to save the day by getting Spock to admit that he is an emotional creature.....or something.


a final nod to the audience, Kirk admonished Spock for his plans, saying something to the tune of "Time travel - isn't that cheating?" While this may be a little dig at the screenwriters, Spock keeps it in house, firing back an "I learned it from an old friend."


If you are a true Trekkie, you know haw fantastic it is to see Nimoy as Spock one more time.  I don't know if any closure is given to the TNG episode "Unification II" (I kinda doubt it) but the decision to include Leonard Nimoy in this project is without question the smartest decision anyone on the team made.  I know for a fact I'll pay for tickets at least four times just to see the scenes he appears in.  I should probably erase that last line, lest it gets saved for the commitment hearings that no doubt await me.

The full review of the trailer and scenes 1, 2 and 4, plus comments on the NY screening can be found at UGO.



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My response to UGO reviewer Jordan Hoffman's douchebaggery | Report this post to moderator
By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:07:22 on Nov 19, 2008 | Edit History (2)

“The first thing out of his mouth - the very motherloving first thing out of his mouth - is “I’ve never been a fan of Star Trek.”

So what!


“Not only is this insulting and lame...”

Please. It’s not “insulting” in the least. You’re just an obsessive dork with an axe to grind about this movie (as your moronic “booo!” demonstrated). Virtually every word coming out of your keyboard has been a reflection of this.


“He’s said this in interviews fifteen times already.”

Because it was relevant to what he had to say, which you of course paraphrased out of all recognition and muddled even further with your idiotic prose.


“Maybe he thinks it is cute...”

Or maybe it’s just a fact and he’s not trying to irritate you because he doesn’t care about you (BECAUSE THIS ISN’T ABOUT YOU).


“...but I just find it rude.”

No you dont. You’re just saying that because you're a drama-queen looking for attention (and, congratulations, it’s working: fan sites are linking to your crap all over the web).


“J.J. Abrams struts up like the smartest kid in Hebrew school.”

*rolls eyes*

You dont even know this man, and you’re slagging on him personally. Sounds like you’ve got some career-envy. You wouldn’t by chance happen to be what most ‘critics’ are, would you? You know, a failed insert whatever profession you cover here--->________?


“...he was so in love with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman’s script, he wound up saying “yes” to directing it. He questioned himself, “How could I say ‘yes’ to this project?” As if Star Trek had the cooties and was corroded. “I didn’t even know they’d made ten movies already. Who wants to be 11th?” I know who, someone who likes Star Trek!!!! By now my acid reflux is acting up and I am starting to get nauseous. J.J. introduces the first scene, “Where we first meet Spock. No, not Spock - the other one - Kirk. Spock is the one with the...” and he points to his ears. No, I am not making this up.”

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.


“A drunk Jim Kirk is hitting on....Uhura? H-what? It’s ten seconds in and there’s a canon violation.”

No it’s not. Do you even know what ‘canon’ is? There is nothing, NOTHING, in the Star Trek canon that explains how, when, or what the circumstances were when James Kirk met Uhura. NOT. ONE. DAMN. THING.


“Kirk would never be crude to Uhura. It’s not in his nature.”

For someone so obsessed with canon you dont seem to know shit about it. Yes, it is not in the nature of the adult Kirk to behave that way. But this is not the adult Kirk, moron. People change. The start one way. Then they grow up (although maybe not you).

Not only do you not understand what canon is, you also seem to have no comprehension of the “hero’s journey” narrative. Kirk begins as the brash young man that grows into the heroic Captain Kirk. It’s an ancient archetype, the mythic tale of the hero that has recurred over and over in every culture through out history; and there is no reason in the world why the rise of James Kirk cant be (or shouldn't be) that same classic story.

What little we know about Kirk’s youth points to his being quite a charming, though wild, young man (watch Khan again). So this was a great opportunity to take an iconic character and apply Campbell’s “hero’s journey” frame to his early life. It’s classic story-telling and the fact that you dont get that speaks volumes.

How the hell did you get the gig as UGO’s rep for this event anyway?


“Uhura looks at the menu. Dialogue flies by fast, but I caught a reference to Cardassian Ale, Budweiser Classic (ugh - product placement sullying Trek) and (it was later confirmed) Slusho. Now - that’s just the last straw. J.J. Abrams - esteemed author of Gone Fishin’ - has the stones to slip a line to HIS mythology in Star Trek!?!? That doesn’t come across as NERVY to you?!? Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.”

Okay...who’s your editor? I need to have a word with him. I cant believe he publishes your tripe for the world to see.


“Anyway, Uhura, who claims not to have a first name (it’s Nyota, by the way)...”

Again, for someone so concerned about canon, you dont know jack about it. The notion of ‘Nyota’ being Uhura’s first name is apocryphal. At no time in a single frame of live-action Star Trek (i.e. canon) has a “first name” for Uhura EVER been shown or spoken. Meaning that she 1) either didnt have a “first name” or 2) it was just, for whatever reason, never revealed.


“Then Bruce Greenwood as Captian Pike walks in. (Canon violation - Pike and Kirk aren’t supposed to know one another...”

The only mention of this comes from such a throw-away bit of dialogue that it renders the whole notion meaningless. It came in an early episode of TOS when the writers were still getting a handle on things. Just a few weeks before, they were still calling Spock a Vulcanian.


“It may surprise you to learn that Chris Pine isn’t all that bad...”

No. It only surprises you because, like I said, you came into this with an axe to grind.


“I just am having a hard time seeing Kirk as a whiny loser...”

Projection.


“...trying to pick up Uhura in a bar. I can’t accept it. I just can’t.”

Yeah...we covered why that is.


“Her name is Nyota!” I shouted - in reference to the scene where Uhura claimed to have only one name. He may or may not have heard me.”

*snorts*

Idiot.

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jewish | Report this post to moderator
By: brett (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:04:36 on Nov 19, 2008

probably not a good idea to insult jewish people if you ever want to get any more "inside scoops" in the movie business.

im just sayin is all...

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Criticism | Report this post to moderator
By: admiral_qua (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:16:45 on Nov 19, 2008 | Edit History (2)

I don't see any valid criticism here, all I see is a nerd getting his panties in a bunch because in his mind Kirk would never hit on Uhura or be "crude" to her (nvm this is pre captaincy in his younger days and all that). Give me a break.


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By: Poetwarrior78 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:19:50 on Nov 19, 2008

"J.J. Abrams needs to understand that he is a guest in our house. If he can't be polite, we won't invite him over to play anymore. It's as simple as that."

Stupidest thing I ever heard. Why do some people identify with Trek so much that they take the faintest perceived slight personally? If Abrams wasn't a fan, it's perfectly appropriate for him to say so. And the fact that he's said it "fifteen times already" wouldn't have meant much to the average person in his audience, given that they probably have't read every interview he gives about the new film.

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JOIN ME TREK FANS | Report this post to moderator
By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:16:04 on Nov 19, 2008

In writing a complaint to UGO for that racist bullshit.


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Insulting | Report this post to moderator
By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:16:52 on Nov 19, 2008

"J.J. Abrams struts up like the smartest kid in Hebrew school."

This is an absolutely insulting statement. What does his background/culture have to do with anything here? Why point it out? Is he trying to be funny? To me it comes across as being ignorant and just plain dumb. It negates anything he says after; calls into question the validity of his views on the film, regardless if it is a positive or a negative.


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Insulting or just the plain truth... by digital_moose @ 12:00:30 on Nov 19
Insulting or just the plain truth... by digital_moose @ 12:00:25 on Nov 19
RE: Insulting - No it is not. by Rayna Kapec @ 10:10:02 on Nov 19

Even if the movie is a financial sucsess...it will lose. | Report this post to moderator
By: Rayna Kapec (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:50:35 on Nov 19, 2008

.."J.J. Abrams struts up like the smartest kid in Hebrew school. The first thing out of his mouth - the very motherloving first thing out of his mouth - is "I've never been a fan of Star Trek." the reviewer wrote "WTF?!??! Not only is this insulting and lame, it is rehearsed. He's said this in interviews fifteen times already. Maybe he thinks it is cute, but I just find it rude. J.J. Abrams needs to understand that he is a guest in our house. If he can't be polite, we won't invite him over to play anymore. It's as simple as that..."

...Yes, Because they've decided to slap the hardcore fanbase in the face by taking away all the serious elements of Star Trek, instead choosing to appeal to the boorish preferences of the mainstream moviegoer (in your face explosions, car chases, etc), but they forgot one thing: the mainstream moviegoer already hates Star Trek. The average young person nowadays has only seen little snippets of Voyager as they flip between channels, and even if they've managed to drag themselves to the theaters, they've been treated with a series of downright horrible films. In either case, what they've seen, they hate.

Maybe I'm wrong and the dazzling special effects space firefights and quick shots of some hot teenage-looking actress's boobs will lure in millions of viewers (probably what's going to happen, now that I think of it), but the loyal and dedicated fans of the series that mounted a letter-writing campaign to name the first U.S. Space Shuttle "Enterprise" are already disillusioned, and the trailer just came out a few hours ago.

So even if the new movie is a financial success, it's at the expense of losing something a lot more special.
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RE: Even if the movie is a financial sucsess...it will lose. by critch @ 19:03:18 on Nov 19
RE: Even if the movie is a financial sucsess...it will lose. by TommyHawk @ 14:43:38 on Nov 19
RE: by rassmguy @ 12:41:02 on Nov 19

I Agree. Time to Stop | Report this post to moderator
By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:28:27 on Nov 19, 2008

I understand the tactic, to say, "Hey larger audience, I'm one of you. I hate that nerdy stuff too, so come and see my Star Trek movie because it's more like Star Wars." And then they hopefully come and unwittingly end up loving a real Star Trek movie.

I understand that, but I think the purpose has been served and I agree with the reviewer that it comes across as rude to the core fans at this point. I don't fault him for doing it for a while but it's time to stop and let the scenes speak for themselves because apparently they're doing their job.


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Huh | Report this post to moderator
By: Logic Incarnate (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:07:27 on Nov 19, 2008

Since Trekkers are the only ones reading these speeches that JJA gives - you gotta wonder exactly who the hell all the 'im not a fan' and 'I prefer Star Wars' comments are aimed at.

Afterall, who the hell else apart from fans, are actually watching the development of this movie on sites like this every day?

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Fanboys... | Report this post to moderator
By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:21:45 on Nov 19, 2008

Nick Meyer wasn't and still isn't a fan of Trek. He'd seen Space Seed and the first movie when he made Khan. So there.

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RE: Fanboys... by fx7 @ 12:07:32 on Nov 19

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By: DixonHill (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:30:57 on Nov 19, 2008

You have to understand that he keeps saying this because he wants to reach the GENERAL MEDIA and AUDIENCE. The fans are going to see it anyway. By repeatedly claiming he is not a fan, he wants to invite non-fans to see it because they can more identify with a non-fan director/producer...it's as simple as that!


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By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:43:00 on Nov 19, 2008

Is it a big deal if the director is a big fan of Star Trek? Nick Meyer wasn't that up on it. I doubt Robert Wise knew much more than the average person, and I'm thinking Stuart Baird was just a bad director.

I admit I don't know much about filmmaking, but I would think that if the director knows what they're doing and they're good with people, they can make a good film.

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