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When I said heritage I certainly mean more in the way of nationality, and certainly not religion.
Oh really? Let me repost for everyone to see, the line in your original post that sparked all of this:
Bring back the jewish captain and get rid of this ayrian...
Forget the fact that both men are caucasian and look very similar at a young age, but who the hell cares what their religions are? If you didn't mean anything by saying "Jewish" then why the hell did you you follow it with "Aryian"? Keep dancing you führer wannabe.
P.S. - try to click the "Post it now!" button only once, genius.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with you, with all these personal attacks. Calling people racist & bigot is not something to say lightly, just because you're losing an argument. Otherwise, get your eyes checked if you had a problem reading my last post, or if you can look at that picture above of Pine and say he resembles a young William Shatner. I will repeat for someone like you who obviously has trouble reading, that I should have worded my post better, and have apologized for it. When I said heritage I certainly mean more in the way of nationality, and certainly not religion. If a popular culture hero like Tonto, for example, is American Indian, I don't want to see an Irish guy playing him, and neither does anyone else.Go enjoy "Titanic to the Stars", and feel free to write me an apology after the novelty of it has worn off for you.
I have obviously hit a nerve with you, with all these personal attacks. Calling people racist & bigot is not something to say lightly, just because you're losing an argument. Otherwise, get your eyes checked if you had a problem reading my last post, or if you can look at that picture above of Pine and say he resembles a young William Shatner. I will repeat for someone like you who obviously has trouble reading, that I should have worded my post better, and have apologized for it. When I said heritage I certainly mean more in the way of nationality, and certainly not religion. If a popular culture hero like Tonto, for example, is American Indian, I don't want to see an Irish guy playing him, and neither does anyone else.Go enjoy "Titanic to the Stars", and feel free to write me an apology after the novelty of it has worn off for you.
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I should have said get someone who resembles Shatner's heritage at least.
So you are saying that William Shatner LOOKS Jewish, and Chris Pine doesn't? Are you kidding me? I think most people would agree that Pine looks pretty close to a young Shatner (sans 1960s greased back hair) and if you read the articles describing casting, the producers chose Pine because of his presence and swagger -- things you haven't even seen on screen yet!
So Pinto, please explain to all of us here on TrekWeb exactly what a Jew is supposed to look like? For future Kirk-related casting of course.
Can't wait to see this response...
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Picard was a totally new charater. Who said I don't wish that it continue? When the replaced James Bond they always went with someone from the U.K. I never said I'm upset this guy gets chicks - great for him. It's not a coincidence that the makers of this film have shown us very little of Pine, and alot more of everyone else. They want to ease us into it. I'm not buying it, nor will any of you once the film has been out for a while and sunk in. The rest of the cast looks fine. Sulu is asian, as he should be. Uhura is african american, as she should be. Spock & I especially like the guy who's playing McCoy - I think that was great casting. If they could & did all that so well, don't tell me what I already know. The're going for that "Titanic to the Stars" - you will see. When I said get a jewish captain, that probably was not the way I should have put it, and apologize. I should have said get someone who resembles Shatner's heritage at least (doesn't have to look exactly like him - never said that).
Also - Chekov was a new character - they didn't try to replace Kirk with someone who looked like Davey Jones.
Picard was a totally new charater. Who said I don't wish that it continue? When the replaced James Bond they always went with someone from the U.K. I never said I'm upset this guy gets chicks - great for him. It's not a coincidence that the makers of this film have shown us very little of Pine, and alot more of everyone else. They want to ease us into it. I'm not buying it, nor will any of you once the film has been out for a while and sunk in. The rest of the cast looks fine. Sulu is asian, as he should be. Uhura is african american, as she should be. Spock & I especially like the guy who's playing McCoy - I think that was great casting. If they could & did all that so well, don't tell me what I already know. The're going for that "Titanic to the Stars" - you will see. When I said get a jewish captain, that probably was not the way I should have put it, and apologize. I should have said get someone who resembles Shatner's heritage at least (doesn't have to look exactly like him - never said that).
Of course he is not a huge fan of TOS. Neither am I. My generation likes the next generation, and Chris Pine is even younger than me.
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Bring back the jewish captain and get rid of this ayrian
Wow... I was counting on some overreactions, but not outright racist ones... Congratulations sir, you've once again shown me that I consistently underestimate the power of a bigoted mind set loose on the internet.
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This Pine fellow, who may be a decent actor, is there to get the return business of the young female audience
That also applies to Walter Koenig in TOS.
Koenig has often told the story of how he was selected to add Davy Jones-like appeal to the series, to attract the young (female) audience. TV/movie casting is a balancing act between what the creatives want and what the marketeers demand.
For better or worse, actor heritage has been a non-issue in Star Trek. Scotsman Scotty is played by a Canadian (the late James Doohan) who was the son of Irish refugees.
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I have enough of a mind to see past this reimaginig money-grab, and you don't.
I see. So you don't feel that the franchise should carry on into the 21st century then? Or rather, if it does.. it HAS to take place after Picard's time or make no money at all? For fear of being a "money-grab"?
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This Pine fellow, who may be a decent actor, is there to get the return business of the young female audience.
No, he is an ACTOR who landed the part of his life, and does this for a LIVING. If he bags hot females as a result, why are you knocking him for it?
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Capt. Kirk is an iconic character, one who should be played at least by someone who resembles the heritage of the original.
Great. Since you are so quick to knock who got the part, who do YOU think should have played Kirk? Keeping in mind you haven't see one second of film yet, and any actor you think is better may not have been available or willing to play the part.
If you are going to be so bold Pinto (a fitting nickname by the way), at least know what you are talking about -- for once.
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I don't live in an apartment nor do I watch worn out VHS tapes. I have enough of a mind to see past this reimaginig money-grab, and you don't. This Pine fellow, who may be a decent actor, is there to get the return business of the young female audience (Titanic to the Stars). Capt. Kirk is an iconic character, one who should be played at least by someone who resembles the heritage of the original (now over 40 years of history in popular culture). You can call me any names you want, but 10 or 15 years down the road this reimagining, which I'm sure will make them alot of money in the short-run, will be in the dvd discount rack with all the other reimaginings. That writer is a hack - I don't know how he keeps getting this work.
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That's OK because I as well as alot of other fans are not a fan of this poser. Bring back the jewish captain and get rid of this ayrian - the original series will still be beloved long after this reimagining is forgotten like so many other awful reimaginigs.
Way to prove Bean's point. I won't even attempt to ask what the heritage of the two actors has anything to do with this argument. You are a simple mind. The only reason you call him a poser and are not a fan is because he is not Shatner. Fine, then board yourself in your apartment, watch your worn-out VHS copies of TOS that you recorded years ago, and don't PINE in with your opinions about someone based on whether they are Jewish or not. This isn't 1945 sir, get real.
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That's OK because I as well as alot of other fans are not a fan of this poser. The rest of the cast looks pretty good, but this guy is just there to bring in the young female audience for multiple viewings (Titanic to the Stars). Bring back the jewish captain and get rid of this ayrian - the original series will still be beloved long after this reimagining is forgotten like so many other awful reimaginigs.
Everyone ready for the inevitable "Why is a TOS hater playing Kirk" overreactions? Personally, I'm thinking it's gonna be entertaining to read...
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Although I wasn't a huge fan of the series growing up, I obviously watched it and knew about it.
It must be a slow news week, because we have already seen this quote from Pine before. I would say the percentage of Star Trek actors that had never really watched Trek before is much greater than the actors who said they were "fans" before they were cast. Much ado about nothing.
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