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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:57:35 on Jul 02, 2008

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Good luck to you and your camera-club colleagues

Why thank you! Don't expect an invite to our Oscar party though... unless you bring expensive booze, then all is forgiven.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:23:52 on Jul 02, 2008

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...throwing out meaningless quotes and referencing the producers saying this and that. But the joke is on you.


Shucks, all the "quotes and referencing the producers" -- who know exactly what can and can't be done with their movie -- must be a terrible inconvenience to your zombie monologues.

Good luck to you and your camera-club colleagues, and with your allergy to commonsense and dictionaries.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:01:47 on Jul 02, 2008 | (1)

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By posing as a professional filmmaker, you raise the bar on what others expect from you. The irony is that you fail to display any corresponding comprehension skills, particularly toward sci-fi storytelling.

For one thing, I am a filmmaker. I never said I was Stanley Kubrick.. at least not yet. But I am posing as nothing, I am exactly what I say.

Second, every one of my film coleagues whom I have discussed this lame topic with, has agreed with me to a letter:

If the film is in post-production and Shatner has not filmed a second of footage yet? Then it is not going to happen. You can keep replying, beating your chest, throwing out meaningless quotes and referencing the producers saying this and that. But the joke is on you. Always has been and always will be. You're a dumb fuck and an ass hole.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:09:13 on Jul 02, 2008

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..and that includes the fact that J.J. Abrams is NOT going to introduce a new character and scene that has NOTHING to do with the plot of a film, in post-production.


The common baseline for everyday competence is independent of any entertainment product, yet you respond with another bullshit non sequitur.

Wake up.

The entire writer/producer team got onstage to announce their desperate desire. Abrams, Orci, Lindelof, and Leopold have independently pointed a finger at "I don't do cameos" Shatner.

Every time Orci is asked about this, his "maybe" answer holds the door open. Not even the WGA strike or the end of principal photography changed his assessment of this matter. Orci sees cause to not give closure to the once Shatner-blessed cameo.

Yet your zombie-brain monologue harps on and on about "a desperate minority of the Star Trek fan base."

By posing as a professional filmmaker, you raise the bar on what others expect from you. The irony is that you fail to display any corresponding comprehension skills, particularly toward sci-fi storytelling.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:16:22 on Jul 02, 2008

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Regardless of vocation, there's a baseline of common knowledge that's acquired by every competent adult.

..and that includes the fact that J.J. Abrams is NOT going to introduce a new character and scene that has NOTHING to do with the plot of a film, in post-production. That is the point I have been trying to drive into your thick skull all this time.

You are wrong. Your dream of Shatner being in this film is hapless and unrealistic. You can continue to pretend that I am not a filmmaker based on a sentence I typed that you did not get, but in May of 2009 -- I will have the last laugh. I guarantee it!

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:25:45 on Jul 02, 2008

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You are nitpicking a lack of clarification in a sad attempt to discredit me.


Your incoherent reasoning has discredited itself, in every argument you've made.

Regardless of vocation, there's a baseline of common knowledge that's acquired by every competent adult, certainly those with experience in a real-world business or people-oriented profession.

A combo of uncommon stupor and aggressive BS is the rope with which you hang yourself, higher and higher.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:52:55 on Jul 02, 2008

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You pulled that nonsense out of your ass after you got busted for arguing that post-production is "not shooting anything live-action anymore".

You are nitpicking a lack of clarification in a sad attempt to discredit me. LOL, nice try! This whole thread is about William Shatner. Your wet dream, remember?

I was trying to convey to you that once they were in post-production mode, that there were not going to be filming William Shatner in the flesh. If you could not gather that, the you are the biggest retard I have ever known. Rather than giving us a real reason why he should be in it, you are trying to scour my posts looking for syntax slips.

It's no wonder your "wife" cheats on you.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:30:57 on Jul 02, 2008

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For the THIRD time, post-production may include live-action shooting of existing locations and scenes, but does not include INTRODUCTIONS OF NEW CHARACTERS AND ACTORS.


You pulled that nonsense out of your ass after you got busted for arguing that post-production is "not shooting ANYTHING live-action ANYMORE". Your new bullshit only compounds the deception exposed by your old bullshit.

So far, you haven't been able to sustain any dialog that involves adult experience or intuition.

Why not pretend to be a child prodigy of some sort, i.e. something that isn't so readily invalidated during a discussion of sci-fi entertainment?


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:59:12 on Jul 02, 2008

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Legitimate filmmakers don't argue that post-production means "not shooting anything live-action anymore". Reshoots and pick-ups aren't uncommon.

For the THIRD time, post-production may include live-action shooting of existing locations and scenes, but does not include INTRODUCTIONS OF NEW CHARACTERS AND ACTORS. Which is exactly what your sad, desperate ass is praying will happen.

If you spent more time learning the industry and less time trying desperately to come off as "educated" and "well-read" on a Star Trek website, you wouldn't be making a fool out of yourself so much.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:29:57 on Jul 02, 2008

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I know what my credentials are. Most grown-ups don't consistently take things to a personal, childish level like you do when we are discussing a movie.


Legitimate filmmakers don't argue that post-production means "not shooting anything live-action anymore". Reshoots and pick-ups aren't uncommon.

You're welcome to your Walter Mitty dreams, but you don't have the knowledge or wit to succeed with the deception you've chosen here. You'd have more credibility claiming to be an extraterrestrial, which would at least account for your lack of knowledge about life on Earth.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:38:58 on Jul 02, 2008

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The ongoing joke here is your attempt to pass as a competent professional, when you can't quite muster a normal grown-up.

I know what my credentials are. Most grown-ups don't consistently take things to a personal, childish level like you do when we are discussing a movie. All because my opinion on matters differs from yours. Real mature.

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Not only do you argue in ignorance of publicized statements by Shatner and Team Abrams...

Argue in ignorance? No, I just know that these are actors and producers, and nothing they tell nerdy Sci-Fi interviewers is under oath. To be 100% honest, YOU are making far more out of sparse quotes solely because you are desperate to see this 77 year old man strap on the uniform one more time. It is sad!

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you had to be told that fictional events and characters follow their writer's will!

I know this you dumb f*ck, but you're failing (as usual) to see that the writers are NOT GOING TO WRITE SHATNER INTO THIS MOVIE. You are in complete denial and insist that the writers have some big surprise waiting for us! TRexx, you are Geraldo Rivera... and this movie is your Capone's vault. You are going to be embarassed and there is no amount of Thesaurus-raping that is going to make you look good after May of 2009.

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Are you a child, or just dirt stupid?

I recently turned 30.. and I have been involved with film for almost 7 years already, so I may be a child when compared to you.. but I am far from stupid ;)

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:24:20 on Jul 01, 2008 | (1)

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Hehe, I mean... it's almost a joke to even suggest that would ever happen!


The ongoing joke here is your attempt to pass as a competent professional, when you can't quite muster a normal grown-up.

Not only do you argue in ignorance of publicized statements by Shatner and Team Abrams, you repeatedly fail to comprehend even the common and basic things in everyday adult life. In this thread alone you had no clue of the politics around big money, and you had to be told that fictional events and characters follow their writer's will!

Are you a child, or just dirt stupid?


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:03:08 on Jul 01, 2008

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In reality, post-production includes live-action reshoots and/or pick-ups. Do I need to tell you that shooting new footage during post-production is a film "pick-up"?

New footage yes... but not new characters. Pickup footage is usually nothing more than establishing shots, transition shots, B unit footage and every so often - reshooting various angles of existing scenes. All of which can happen during the post-production process, yes.

But you are talking about the hiring of a new actor and shooting brand-new scenes during the post-production process -- especially for a character such as elder-Kirk who is irellevant to the existing plot of the actual film? Hehe, I mean... it's almost a joke to even suggest that would ever happen! Again, a scenario more the product of a desperate minority of the Star Trek fan base than anything based on a real feature production.

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By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:07:53 on Jul 01, 2008

MI3 was a great movie.


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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:56:05 on Jun 30, 2008 | (1)

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Why not say, "they could not afford to pay me."


Shatner did make an issue of his salary, which was the basis for months of "It's bad business!" self-promotion.

Where have you been for the past year?


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:17:21 on Jun 30, 2008

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Team Abrams have already found a way to restore elder Kirk, and that door is held open.

If that is true and it is only "Shatner willing to work for less" that we are waiting for, then I am confused. In interviews, Shatner has been saying "I think it will be a great film but I am disappointed that I am not in it." Why is he disappointed? He turned down this alleged role because of the money - why not admit it? Why not say, "they could not afford to pay me." If this is really about righting a "wrong", I would think that he would take what pay he could to sign on and unkill his elder-self..... assuming what you are saying is even true and that there is an "open door".

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:04:43 on Jun 30, 2008

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First, it is not J.J.'s responsibility to "correct the wrongs of Generations" and unkill elder-Kirk. Second, Spock is not going to risk altering the timeline, perhaps even his own existence, to 'warn' young Kirk about his demise.


Don't mistake fiction for reality.

In fiction, events and characters follow the will of the writers. They use sci-fi hocus-pocus whenever the plot needs a nudge, and time travel is a fave that isn't "undesirable" unless the writers make it so. The Kirk-Spock romance precedent has been set: "You would have done the same for me -- because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many."

In the real world, in November 2006, Shatner said he and Abrams spoke about restoring elder Kirk. Orci claims that their story had received Shatner's "blessing", and that the situation fell apart only later when Shat wanted more than a cameo role for his character.

Team Abrams have already found a way to restore elder Kirk, and that door is held open.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:03:33 on Jun 30, 2008

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It's apparent that you're (again) unable to follow whatever dialog is posted here.

Incorrect. It is just that I read your previous dialog and (again) completely disagreed with its reasoning and therefore ignored the fact it was even mentioned.

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A warning from elder Spock to young Kirk will simultaneously inform the audience of foreknowledge that allows the Kirk legend to change the outcome of those future events -- so he was never killed during those events.

First, it is not J.J.'s responsibility to "correct the wrongs of Generations" and unkill elder-Kirk. Second, Spock is not going to risk altering the timeline, perhaps even his own existence, to 'warn' young Kirk about his demise. Imagine the repercussions if he told him about his fate this early in Kirk's career? Lord knows how the universe would have been different -- especially considering how many times he "saved the galaxy" in the coming years. Do you really think Spock would be stupid enough to risk changing that!? My point is, if you think Spock would grossly jeapordize the future of the galaxy by warning it's biggest hero of his demise 30 years later (assuming he even knows Kirk died in the 24th century)? Then you have a very low opinion of Spock.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:06:17 on Jun 29, 2008

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You would need far more to explain why elder Kirk was there, 14 years after he was killed...


It's apparent that you're (again) unable to follow whatever dialog is posted here.

A warning from elder Spock to young Kirk will simultaneously inform the audience of foreknowledge that allows the Kirk legend to change the outcome of those future events -- so he was never killed during those events.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:03:54 on Jun 29, 2008

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A 24th-century Spock has "no place" in the timeframe of his 23rd-century self, yet Abrams et al are reportedly resorting to sci-fi hocus-pocus to put him there.

If I recall correctly, Captain Kirk used "hocus-pocus" to go back to 1986 and save humanity by finding whales. I think Captain Picard also travelled by means of "hocus-pocus" to get to 2163 (thanks to the Borg) to help Cochrane do his thing. A 24th century Spock needs little or no explanation because we all know he is alive and time-travel is an accepted plot device. You would need far more to explain why elder Kirk was there, 14 years after he was killed -- forget about the distraction to the plot.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:25:30 on Jun 29, 2008

Ask an you shall recieve...



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By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 20:51:03 on Jun 29, 2008

while I feel it MIGHT be a mistake catering to us old fans, I think they might be tempted to do Star Trek 12: Search for Kirk.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:32:44 on Jun 29, 2008 | (1)

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Shatner's moved on from the 'it's a bad decision' and is actually hyping the movie now, maybe you should too don't you think?

I must admit, this subject has been more touchy than I expected. Everyone here knows my feeling on this matter.. that this is not a film about Shatner's Kirk and therefore its success, in my opinion, will have nothing to do with his absence from it.

I guess it just goes to show what an impact he had in the role. I loved him as Kirk all the way through his demise in Generations - I hope that doesnt get lost in all this. I do feel the health of the franchise is the most important thing though, and that's why I am so passionate about the subject. I want this film to hit a home run. I guess as long as the actor is still alive and new Star Trek films are being made, this subject will not go away.

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By: YodaOldBoy (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:16:44 on Jun 29, 2008

I've been one to complain a lot about Shatner's negative attitude toward Trek XI but this interview is a good step for him I think. Instead of whining at not being in the movie and that it's a poor business decisions, he instead says he's sad because he feels like the movie is going to be great. Keep on that trend, that's a good attitude that will actually get the people interested in seeing the movie. I applause this change of attitude.

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