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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:59:29 on Nov 14, 2007

It would take years and a whole team of designers to really do it justice. Every little thing deserves attention. Both the interiors and exteriors need to make sense, be aestetically pleasing, and stay true to basic Star Trek traditions. This is no small task.

Hopefully its not going to look like Archer's ship. That was a rather boring design, all the way around.

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For Everyone Slamming Cawley | Report this post to moderator
By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:36:18 on Nov 13, 2007

Yes, he's one man with an opinion, but his last episode of New Voyages was also (in another man's opinion) one of the best episodes ever made. Not ever made in fandom; ever made in Trekdom.

He's not a geek who lives in a basement, not a hypocrite, and not a loser who's only job is playing Star Trek.

You need to get more informed about people before you try to slander and insult them. Cawley's put a lot of personal money and time to try and keep Star Trek alive, and I think he deserves a lot more credit and respect than he's getting here.

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By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:10:43 on Nov 13, 2007

I don't know much about this guy or much about the "New Voyages" project, but for an actor who is actively "re-imaging" classic Trek himself to criticize another "re-imaging" is pretty damn hypocritical. It's also illogical for him to accept himself as a successor to Shatner without entertaining the notion of updating the original Enterprise for similar reasons. It's pretty clear he doesn't object to the design for design's sake. He objects to it because it's not the exact same as the original.

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There are always possibilities... | Report this post to moderator
By: Dmitri Andreyevich (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:51:19 on Nov 13, 2007

If the altered timeline plot of the film is fact, it may be that what James saw was an Enterprise, and not necessarily the Enterprise (the one that we and Nimoy's Spock would know).
If the timeline is successfully fixed, we may see the classic ship once more at the end.
If not, then there's a new future for Kirk and his crew.
Either way, it'll be an interesting voyage.

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Enterprise Revamp 1976 | Report this post to moderator
By: ericphillips (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:26:43 on Nov 13, 2007

Back in 1976 Paramount was developing a film called Star Trek: Planet of the Titans. They hired Ralph McQuarrie (the guy who designed much of the look of Star Wars) to re-imagine the Enterprise.

His designs were radically different than TOS's 1701. I doubt that the ship in the new film could be less like the Enterprise than the ones he designed.

Here is a link to one model, reused in TNG (oddly, in Unification, the last appearance of Spock until this new film):

McQuarrie Design 1

Another Enterprise concept (can you say Star Destroyer?).

Star Wars like Enterprise

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And I should care about his opion... why? | Report this post to moderator
By: luckybucky (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:12:53 on Nov 13, 2007

Not the I even necessarily disagree, but I find it an interesting editorial choice to headline what essentially amounts to a single fan's opinion as if, because he has smacked out some nice fan films, he is somehow more authoritative than anyone else.

The fact remains, we haven't been living with "Gene's Trek" since TNG's episode "Disaster." Trek grows beyond its creator.

And now apparently also beyond its "fans."

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By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:13:01 on Nov 13, 2007

Wow for a guy who is a obviously a die hard to go on record with this is pretty balls-eeeeee!

Quote:”"I have seen the New REBOOTED Enterprise, I have Friends in the right places! At any rate, I don't like it. It is supposed to be NCC-1701, no bloody A,B,C,D or E! and it sure does not look like the 1701 I grew up with!" he said

For a die hard like this to make such a statement it makes you wonder! (Can everyone say “Abrams Superman will now start to show its ugly head...haha) It is so sad that the people doing this movie are not fans of Trek. How do you honestly do a prequel to TOS and not use the same design. It is ridiculous!! But I am sure the “lets wait and see” people will have some incredible insight on this.

Quote:”I just don't agree with changing such iconic designs that are so ingrained in pop culture, it is really needless."

Agreed. It is like making the “Death Star” a triangle.

Quote:”I just don't want the production design radically changed. I see Matt Jefferies designs as "TIMELESS", and as "Pure Science Fiction", I feel the Big E as designed by Matt deserves it's day on the big screen.

Oh come on now. The Transformer boys and JJ Berman KNOW what they are doing! They are such big fans of Trek! How could the creator of Felicity let us all down! Hahaha This is another nail in the coffin for Trek.

Quote:” I have seen what was purported to be the final design of the New Enterprise, and I don't like the changes."

The funny thing is you will get some people cough, baaaa, cough saying how great it is going to be.

Quote:”Re-imagining or rebooting IS changing what Star Trek is." he said "I am not against the recasting at all. But Star Trek is NOT broken, it does Not need to be fixed or REIMAGINED or anthing of the sort. It needs a great story with a Heart in the familar trappings of it's universe.

And THAT is the reason why the last 2 movies sucked ass. The stories were crap. Doing Tiny Toon TOS is just silly. A new series was the way to go not going backwards. I can't wait to this project fails.

Quote:"What we are going to get is J.J. Abrams take on Trek, NOT Gene's Trek, not the one we have all been enjoying for all these years,

Wow Abrams “Superman” is coming to fruition after all these years!

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From movie to tv-remastered | Report this post to moderator
By: Rhiannon (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:36:39 on Nov 13, 2007

Perhaps they will do another special edition of TOS-remastered by using the new movie-design for our favourite ship.

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By: the quickening (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:02:00 on Nov 13, 2007

Maybe I'm a little too progressive, but I think the entire look of the TREK universe needs to change, especially the outside look of the Enterprise. No problem with a slight "nod" to what has gone before, but it all needs to look vastly different and contemporary.

To be honest, I was a little disappointed with the first photos revealed of Quinto as Spock. I expected the pointed ears, that's obvious, but I had hoped the makers to create, at the very least, a new and different hairstyle and look to the Spock character.

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Why is Cawley full of it? | Report this post to moderator
By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:31:54 on Nov 13, 2007

Star Trek is not now...nor has it ever really been about the STUFF. Someone putting THAT much stock in the uniforms and the bridge layout is really missing the point.

Something that syrprises me coming from a guy like this. I thought he'd know better.

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By: Postdoc (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:47:10 on Nov 13, 2007

Cawley is as close to an unimpeachable source as they come. Some people just desparately want to believe that the producers of this movie can do no wrong. Disagree and you get flamed. It's about $. I respect the ability of the artists involved, but it's being made for money. Everybody says their a fan, just like with Nemesis.

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By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:42:16 on Nov 13, 2007

For a guy's whose sole claim to fame is a poor imitation of Shatner's worst acting, he should tread more lightly. The look of the show is great, but the writing and acting is really bad.

I will say that the new actress in the Sulu episode was good They should keep her.

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By: TonyDP (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:55:53 on Nov 13, 2007

It's pretty much a given that the Enterprise will be redesigned somewhat for the movie. While I'm sure the basic shape will remain the same, there is bound to be more detail and maybe even some tweaking of certain sections like the bridge or nativagional deflector. Sounds to me like Cawley wanted a model 100% faithful to the old show and that's just not a realistic expectation for a multimillion dollar film. Same goes for the bridge and other interior sets as well. As long as the elements are recognizable I don't mind the filmmakers taking some artistic license.

It's time to let got of the past. Those episodes and movies will always be with us; there's nothing wrong changing the look of certain things and giving it all a fresh coat of paint. Just as long as the story is good.

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By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:44:19 on Nov 13, 2007

Cawley is doing a terrific job keeping TOS alive with Star Trek New Voyages. The last episode, starring George Takei, was really fantastic.

If he has problems with the redesigned Enterprise, it is not a good thing. I will trust his word on this matter.

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By: ericphillips (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:35:06 on Nov 13, 2007

Wish i could see the whole article, but my address ends in *.info. It tells me i am locked out because "most .info's are spammers." Not that I cared, but I couldn't even back up to put in another email because that was locked out.

Screw clearing my cookies and whatever other hoops I have to do to use another address.

Cawley, if you read this, got to http://ericphillips.info and see I am not a spammer.

Jeez

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By: IamNotBORG (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:31:58 on Nov 13, 2007

Is this what it came to when a hack doing a very bad job of acting like William Shartner commenting on the real Star Trek materials? Go back to your parent's basement you fucking loser.

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Who's this guy? | Report this post to moderator
By: John Calvin (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:13:01 on Nov 13, 2007

He's a nobody. He's a 1960's throw-back, Capt. Kirk wannabe. He's a bad actor who can't get a real job, so he created his own.

I will reserve my judgement until I see the new design for myself.

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Know what...the '66 bridge is NOT going to work | Report this post to moderator
By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:00:43 on Nov 13, 2007

...on a big budget film. Trek, in part, has been about inspiring technologists. We're past that hippie colored, huge-buttoned, flashing readouts that say nothing style. Audiences would snicker at the repainted dining room chairs.

This is the age of ergonomics, ease of use, smooth and streamlined readouts. Let the redesign inspire as the previous one did. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing it.

Sorry, James. your whining doesn't interest me.

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By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:00:31 on Nov 13, 2007

I am not one to censor people, but I think that James Cawley should have been quiet on this. He enjoys a following (I don't know how large) and making this statement now only stirs up trouble.

Further, Paramount has been fairly kind to him, it doesn't appear that they are vigorously going after the fan films like they could. He gets promotion on startrek.com, and also in the Star Trek magazine, both of which are controlled by the studio.

I don't begrudge him his "access", but I think it is unprofessional of him to spill a tidbit like this.

That being said, as long as it is out there-- this begs the question- just how different? I don't expect the ship to look like the TOS series ship, as least as far as surface, and even in a strick sillouette. My thought would be it might look pretty close to Enterprise-C, or a cross between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701-A.

Abrams should have some leeway, as much as we might want it to, the TOS NCC-1701 probably just would not translate well to a 2008 action film. It needs to shake off some cobwebs to bring in a new audience, and it has to if they are really spending over 150 million on this (which IS foolish I still think).

But there also has to be some continuity. If Nimoy is Spock, then he wasn't just on the TOS enterprise, but he was also on six movies which are all within everyones memory even the fairly young. The ship cannot stray too differently than what the movie enterprise would have looked like 25 years earlier.

That said, in Abrams defence- it isn't like Roddenberry didn't do EXACTLY the same thing. It is inconceivable that the TOS Enterprise and The Motion Picture Enterprise are the same ship. EVERYTHING about the ship is different, yet Roddenberry wanted us to believe that it was a refit Enterprise. Fair is fair, and you gotta cut Abrams a little slack... at least until we see some pics.

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By: JagMan (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:57:43 on Nov 13, 2007

Recast the original characters and we can live with it, redesign the Enterprise and it's like defacing the Mona Lisa.

Sorry, but that's how I feel about it.

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Here we go... | Report this post to moderator
By: garym (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:42:10 on Nov 13, 2007

And now the endless nitpicking begins.

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By: Vash_066 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:38:59 on Nov 13, 2007

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