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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:56:23 on Nov 01, 2007

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This is so stupid. When people talk about the "alexander courage theme" they are only talking about the first few seconds and notes of the ENTIRE theme. Even Jerry Goldsmith doesn't quote the ENTIRE theme with the singing. I hate it when even composers dunno wtf they are talking about! When you pay homage to a PART of an entire theme, say a part, not the ENTIRE theme. References to the Alex Courage theme should be about the ENTIRE length of the theme, not just the opening notes.

I was in orchestra for 8 years and I am a Star Trek fan. I can assure you, the composers know what they are talking about. :) Even if you only use PART of a very recognizeable theme, you have to call it something.

Now, as for why modern composers have not used the entire Courage theme, just the first eight notes for the most part? Because that's the only part of the score that isn't dated! It was written for a TV shopw in 1965, not a motion picture in 2007.

Like Jeffries' original Enterprise design, those first 8 notes are timeless. They make the PERFECT intro to for a show or film that features a Starship Enterprise. Even if a modern composer only uses that little bit of the theme, Alexander Courage must still be credited. The easiest way to reference that intro in the business is to call it the "Alexander Courage theme".

Now, I must say that other parts of the Courage score were sucessfully used in The Motion Picture when Kirk narrarates on Spock's contributions to engineering, and in Star Trek IV right after the Enterprise-A is revealed to us.

The only Trek films to NOT begin with Courages's theme were VI and Generations. As long as that theme is playing during the Paramount logo at the beginning? Goosebumps are assured :)

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Good news | Report this post to moderator
By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:53:37 on Nov 01, 2007

At last a bit of news come out that the entire fanbase can -- I hope! -- rally behind as one group.

Al

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The Giacchino score will be an instant classic... | Report this post to moderator
By: Davy Pavel Chekov-Jones (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:02:54 on Nov 01, 2007

That's the one thing I'm most confident about, in regards to any and all things STAR TREK XI. My wife originally got me hooked on "Lost," and I remember how blown away I was by its score. I thought, "Whoever does this needs to be working in movies!" Sure enough, he went on to do THE INCREDIBLES, which could be my favorite film soundtrack of the '00s so far. He had an uncanny ability to successfully emulate the John Barry/James Bond scores of the '60s, and yet still make it sound snazzy and fresh, without simply imitating.

Just on this work alone, I firmly believe we're all in for a real treat from Michael Giacchino. He knows his stuff and I'm sure we're going to get the next, great, epic TREK score out of him. I can't sing his praises enough.

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people are retarded. | Report this post to moderator
By: JediFonger (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:57:12 on Nov 01, 2007

this is so stupid. when people talk about the "alexander courage theme" they are only talking about the first few seconds and notes of the ENTIRE theme. even jerry goldsmith doesn't quote the ENTIRE theme with the singing. i hate it when even composers dunno wtf they are talking about! when you pay homage to a PART of an entire theme, say a part, not the ENTIRE theme. references to the alex courage theme should be about the ENTIRE length of the theme, not just the opening notes.

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Trek is in Good Hands | Report this post to moderator
By: John Calvin (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 05:59:37 on Nov 01, 2007 | (2)

It sounds to me like this guy will do well with the score. He was inspired by the Trek composers we all love, Courage, Horner and Goldsmith. I think those of us who pay close attention to the score will catch those elements in this score. I think the Star Trek score will be in good hands and I look forward to hearing a fresh approach to it.

This is also big news in that the article confirms that the story we will be seeing is how the characters we love met. The movie IS about Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the others. This is reassuring.

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Horner's treatment (TWOK) was better | Report this post to moderator
By: DavidDownUnder (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:40:51 on Nov 01, 2007

On Trek movie themes, I've always felt that Horner delivered the best treatment in TWOK... sufficient nods to Courage's signature tune but its own rich, heroic and almost nautical texture (which of course fitted in perfectly with so much else on the film).

I also liked Goldsmith's work in TMP, but after it was adapted for TNG it sorta entered 'overkill' mode and lost the novelty of hearing it a TMP rescreening.

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