I would love to see Capt. Janeway and Voyager get their shot at the next ST Movie release. They had some great story lines they never tied up like getting caught in the war between the Borg and Species 8472. The Hunters are great villians they could exploit in the movie also.
Maybe the only real solution to this mess is for Trek fans to boycott any future Berman produced material. It may be bad for Trek in the short term - but it might help a future spinoff come about faster.
We (the fans) do not want any "prequal" crap with new characters.
We want great new stories with tried and true loved characters.
We do not have "franchise fatigue".
We have "franchise withdrawel".
Enterprise was definitely not up to par with other Star Trek series and didn't even seem like a Star Trek Franchise. I feel as if there hasn't been any new Star Trek stuff since Voyager was cancelled.
I myself miss the Next Generation, Deep Space 9 and Voyager characters and quality of product that those series presented. Fans are leaving because the Star Trek product sucks now and we are left with only reruns - of which Voyager is hard to find - and movies watched a zillion times.
Give us quality new movies based on the old product and we will flock to the theaters in droves!
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I think it's all part of the same syndrome, which has something to do with the erosion of the fans and the fact that after 700 and something episodes of television, and 10 movies, that people are moving away."
Yes, when all else fails, blame your audience....
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"Nobody makes me bleed my own blood...NOBODY!"
Sort of anyway. He's not really a creative person, he was selected to work with Roddenberry on TNG and as I read it to represent Paramount's interests, so as a corporate guy he's done OK. I don't think the creative direction is right, but that's an opinion. There's been a long tradition over the years of the Trek actors giving the fans updates on Star Trek. This began when show was on and it continued through the resurrection of it. Roddenberry et. al. would go to conventions and say what was going on. Sometimes there wasn't news, or there was news of something like Phase II that never happened. My point is everybody wanted to hear from the actors and Roddenberry. I don't think anybody has their credibility anymore, especially with fans. It's a business. Roddenberry and the TOS actors could talk about Star Trek and show their love for it, these guys talk about it as a business (which it is) so it doesn't come off right. Why try to be something they can't?
Well, this is how I think things are going to play out...
Rick Berman will produce ST:XI and it will either be good or it will be bad. But the numbers will be short unless he can produce something that the fans will be willing to check out and spread enthusiasm via word of mouth.
I think that Rick Berman has had plenty of chances to prove himself. If NEMESIS and TATV aren't good indications that this guy is wrong for this job, then I don't know what the thought process over at Paramount is regarding this whole process.
What Rick Berman fails to understand is this, STAR TREK could remain on the air continuously for 100 years if there were good stories to tell, but Rick Berman has lost the essence of what Star Trek is, assuming he ever did understand.
What exactly does Berman mean by "quality"? The look of the show (ENT) was generally fine. It was the writing and the stupid situations that the poorly fleshed out crew were involved in that was the problem. If anyone has franchise fatigue, it isn't the fans, it's Rick Berman himself. He's been doing this for quite a while now, and he's more clueless than ever. He's writing a show for people who are smarter than he is and his contempt reveals itself at every opportunity. If they must have an untalented person running Star Trek, surely they can get someone who is less expensive to retain for their...services.
Rick Berman has been given one more chance by the studio to produce a Star Trek film. Whether it's any good or not may be irrelevant. Lately I've been meeting a lot of new people who are Star Trek fans, and you'd never know it by looking at them. Without fail, they were all disappointed by ENT, but even more disappinted that the show was cancelled after it improved. People who are casual fans are aware of Rick Berman's lousy input to the show and it would appear that his name is a black mark on Star Trek in the eyes of the fans. If Rick Berman delivers another crappy Star Trek film, then Paramount might as well not do any more Star Trek again, ever. At least until the current fans grow old and die. Nothing here exists in a vacuum and I don't think that the fanbase has a short memory.
I wish someone could provide me with one good reason why Rick Berman should remain as exec producer of TREK. It seems to me that he has done more damage than good lately. I also think that he has never understood or appreciated what he's affiliated with. Additionally, I think that he's even more out of touch than he ever has been.
ST:XI may be Rick Berman's last hurrah, but the fans won't cheer until he is removed from the franchise. Maybe Rick Berman enjoys the distinction of being the most hated man in science fiction. He certainly has my vote.
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"Um... excuse me Mr. Schroedinger, have you seen my cat around here anywhere?
I posted this before, but can't resist posting it again. Berman is just an amazing psychological phenomenon.
In a breaking news flash, Berman and Braga decided to rewrite the Constitution of the United States. They both said they found the original to be a modest success for it's time, but they have decided to elevate this ancient document to new heights.
The President, the Senate and almost everyone in Washington condemned the rewritten version. Some objected to the attempt to make the Constitution sexier. Some objected to the removal of certain fundamental rights for the citizens. Still others objected to Berman and Braga calling the original writers 'visionless fools'. Finally, people did not like the fact that B&B tried to rewrite history so that the original framers of the Constitution did not exist.
B&B, so utterly confident that their new version was superior to the stale old document, presented it to the general population of the United States. The results came back: Out of 100 million people that responded, only 2 liked the new version. Most described the new version as a 'stinking pile of dog poop'. The two that dissented called it a 'bold' and 'original' revision.
B&B, when informed of the survey results pointed out that the population of the United States is 296,138,261- consequently, the survey really does not mean anything. They claimed that these were the sort of infantile tactics used by their opposition to discredit their masterpiece.
When pressed on why there was such overwhelming agreement amongst the 100 million surveyed, the thoughtful couple replied: "Constitution Fatigue".
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Galactica costs SCI FI close to $2 million per epsiode. Money wasn't an issue, the rate of return was an issue. The production values on Galactica match that of any network show but while Galactica is on the rise Enterprise was a series on it's last leg. That much money can be spent elsewhere on new projects. People often point to Stargate as a pickup from another network but Stargate never lost any of its audience over the 5 years it aired on Showtime. Since SCI FI picked up the show it's maintained and built upon its original numbers.
None of you will give in.
None of you can proove what you are saying.
The only thing you can be sure of, is that the audience has shrunk. Each are entitled to their own opinion about why. But there is no reason to bash one another. None of you can proove, what caused it.
I tend to agree with B&B.
Quote:"About the cancellation of STAR TREK ENTERPRISE, Berman once again blames it on so-called "franchise fatigue." "I don't believe that it is a result of the quality of the show,"
Yes it was! HOW THE HELL do you explain the 7-8 million DROP of viewers in the first two seasons? Seasons which were written by his sorry ass! ENT was shit from the start because it was conceived by two incompetent fuck ups!
Quote:""The response that I've given before, that I'll give again, is that I think STAR TREK NEMESIS was a very good movie.
He thinks the movie was good and the fans say it was shit. And what little fans that went and saw it the case crystal clear. The movie sucked and this asshole and the studio just can't seem to get past their own egos!
Quote:"The executives at Paramount pictures and everybody involved with the movie were shocked that it did two-thirds of the business of the last movie.
Oh boo hoo boo hoo the executives were upset! ohhh boo hoo. WHAT ABOUT THE GOD DAMN FANS WHO WERE RIPPED OFF BY THIS PIECE OF CRAP?
Quote:" I don't think that had anything to do with the fact that NEMESIS qualitatively was different than the previous movie. I think it's all part of the same syndrome, which has something to do with the erosion of the fans and the fact that after 700 and something episodes of television, and 10 movies, that people are moving away."
The movie sucked! END of story Rick!
Quote:"About rumors of an ENTERPRISE pick-up by a cable network like Sci Fi Channel, he said, "Unfortunately, our show costs a lot more than their shows do. A lot of those shows are shot in Canada. A lot of those shows are shot with budgets not much more than half of what our budgets are. I think that to continue our show at the level of production we've kept it at, to keep these actors, it would probably be prohibitive to do it on cable. But it certainly would be possible. And the answer is that the powers-that-be at Paramount seem to feel that the time has come to give things a rest."
The powers that be don't give a shit about Trek. They are too busy making crappy programs for their horrible network!
Quote:"When asked about the next STAR TREK feature film, a prequel with an all-new cast of characters to be written by Erik Jendresen, he said, "I think that if this film is made it certainly won't get finished in the next year. If it gets done in two years or three years I think that timeframe for a new, fresh feature with a whole different outlook would be fine."
This whole prequel idea sucks major ass! NOBODY wants it. How sad it is that Paramount thinks they can still jump on the Star Wars bandwagon! Their prequel series failed and so will this piece of crap. And I don't care who the hell is writting it. The idea of doing prequels nows is OVER!
He keeps talking about it being "fresh" yet his sorry old senile ass is still there? Why can't this guy go fuck off?
Quote:"In regards to non-STAR TREK projects, Berman revealed, "I have a number of things that I'm working on. I even have one project that I'm working on with Brent Spiner, in the creative realm as apposed to the acting realm. But we'll see what the future holds."
Who cares? The co written piece of shit movie they did was horrible. Now they think they can do something else? It is called more bad crap.
Why is Star Trek Magazine still giving space to this idiot? It's the same load of excrement we've gotten from him since the death knell rang for Enterprise.
Of course he's going to blame us for his failures. Enterprise would have been a success if he and Braga had actually made the show a prequel, not a remake of TNG. (After "700" episodes, you think they'd know what worked and what didn't.) As for Nemesis, it failed because it was a terribly written and directed movie.
As for his future, all I can say is: "Say goodbye to all this, and say hello to oblivion."
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Dear Rick Berman
Your recent comments regarding your timeframe for a prequel movie starring an all new cast, which you cite as being two or three years away, prompted me to write you this brief missive.
The timeframe you state puts the film around 2007 or 2008, both timeframes beyond the length of your current contract with Paramount Pictures.
Paramount Pictures has recently gone through a major restructuring in its executive, a fact you cannot have missed since it tied in fairly closely to the reason your series, Star Trek: Enterprise, was finally put out of its misery. Paramount is attempting to rebrand itself, and get away from its current image of an old, penny pinching production company that doesn't take risks. You, sir, are an old, penny pinching producer who doesn't take risks, which is most likely why you've been with Paramount for as long as you have. Unfortunately, sir, you no longer fit in. I wouldn't be making many plans beyond the end of 2006, when your current contract expires, because I find it highly unlikely you will be returning to head up another Star Trek project.
It is good you are branching out into other areas. You're going to need to make money some how, because I think your days of riding the hog and producing crap and labelling it Star Trek are over. Sir.
Just in case you aren't aware, and since you've been so insulated in your own little world for the past 18 years it's likely you aren't, when a production company says they are putting your idea "on the back burner" as you said Paramount has done in an earlier interview, that means its been shelved, and will likely never see the light of day. Perhaps Brannon Braga has a spot for you on Threshold as well. Good luck in all your non-Star Trek endeavors. I for one will never watch, or pay money to see, a Star Trek movie or show that has your name attached to it.
Or star trek anything that has that man's name attached to it. Anyone who thinks Nemesis was a good, quality movie has some serious problems- and this guy is in charge of the entire franchise!
Star Trek is dead to me until he leaves.
At some level, I think Berman is saying this stuff just to see people bash him. It's probably the only attention he gets these days. To that end, I refuse to craft several paragraphs of destructive rebuttal to his BS.
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I can only hope that he suffers a fatal heart-attack and dies where he stands. :)
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