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There is an interview with Jolene Blalock in Sunday's Toronto Star.
This is the link:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1110021995262
Part of the article goes on to say:
A former fan herself (her favourite character as a kid was, not surprisingly, Mr. Spock), the actress, despite her vested interest, has never been shy about dissing her own show.
"I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, and we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away."
Ironically, things had improved dramatically — in terms of content, if not resultant ratings — in this fourth and final season, under the stewardship of producer and self-confessed Trek geek Manny Coto, who brought back a lot of the self-referencing retro continuity the hardcore fan just can't get enough of.
"That was a treat, a joy to do," Blalock enthuses. "It was an unexpected surprise to have the scripts that we did (this season). And I am grateful and thankful for that. It was fun to come to work again.
"And it was certainly much better than spending another season doing what we had been doing. It said a lot about the potential of the show."
There is an awkward silence when the subject of the final episode is broached. "I don't know where to begin with that one," she finally stammers. "The final episode is ... appalling."
She feels sorry for the fans. "I really am touched by their outpour of support, and their display of passion for the show. I was sort of caught off-guard. I didn't know that they were so adamant.
The sad part I am not even part of the franhise and I probably will have come up with a better ending than what B&B have for us to watch in May.
This is great. It could be like the end of Bob Newhart Show where the whole series was a dream. The whoe Enterprise Trek Pre-History could just be a holgraphic production. The series can end, and we can finally dismiss it as holographic nonsense with the entire Trek pre-history still unwritten. I love it!
This series was supposed to be about the founding of the Federation, right? With cancellation coming four years in, this might be the best way to get to the Federation's formation. The writers have the luxury of summarizing events rather than doing an episode about each event.
Consult "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars," a Babylon 5 episode that employed a similar concept.
It's a rumor people. I can't believe the amount of bitch rants that have appeared on here as a result of a tiny little rumor.
And have many of you have said you wanted it to end with a reset, or a "this never actually happened" type ending? Well, here it is. Where are those visitors now when it's time to post "I told you so".
A rumor should be taken with a grain of salt, yet everyone has taken it with a shot of tequila, then posted drunken rants.
I was really hoping for USS Titan and a little view of Riker as Captain.
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I know this is a rumor but man this sounds horrible! Talk about giving Trek one final kick in the teeth!
Quote:"'Trip Tucker' dies at the end of the episode purportedly titled "These Are The Voyages".
They should kill off T'Pol!
Quote:"The death occurs in a holographic program on the holodeck of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D, which 'Commander Riker' and 'Deanna Troi' are observing, according to the speculation. If true, the rumors suggest that the episode may largely take place in what turns out to be a holographic representation of historical events, viewed from the perspective of Riker and Troi at some point in the 24th century.
What a HORRIBLE idea! Typical B&B garbage! This sounds soooooooo stupid!
Quote:"This would mesh with Manny Coto's claim that the final episode, penned by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, would not involve time travel.
What no time travel!? What will Brannon do? Lousy time travel stories is all this jackoff "thinks" he is good at.
Quote:"Jonathan Frakes previously confirmed at a convention that he and Marina Sirtis indeed appear in the final episode, which will air on UPN May 13th at 9 PM.
Ending the prequel with TNG instead of TOS!! How incredibly sad! Proof that B&B hated TOS because Gene created something that these fucking jackoffs couldn't NEVER top or even close too.
Rick Berman and Brannon Braga....the killers of Star Trek!!! They can go straight to hell!
The only thing that surprises me about this news is that anyone here could possibly be surprised that this is how Berman & Braga would choose to end the show.
And for all of you in this thread calling for Berman to be fired - you are aware aren't you that Berman is busy developing the next Trek film? He hasn't been fired. He's not going to be fired. He's been put in charge of creating the next Trek incarnation. Does that sound to you like Paramount is listening to your complaints? Does that sound to you like they give two shits about what your opinions? Not only have they kept Berman involved with Trek, they've insulted the franchise by bringing in someone who's major career accomplishment is working on the Inspector Gadget films. Does that sound to you like Paramount is really committed to overhauling Trek and putting out a quality product in a few years? It sure doesn't to me.
This has to be the biggest single "fuck you" to the fans they've ever pulled.
-- they know that TNG/DS9/Voyager fans mostly disliked the plot contrivance of the holodeck and came to intensly dislike holodeck-centric episodes. So what do they do? Write a holodeck-centric episode where everything that happens is a program
-- they know that fans were unhappy that they didn't get at least a tiny glimpse of the Titan at the end of Nemesis. So instead of dropping Riker & Troi into the current post-Nemesis continuity, they deny the fans a last, final chance to see the Titan and put them on the Ent-D.
-- they know that at least some fans want the show to continue, so what do they do? They kill off the show's beefcake actor, Trip, to fatally wound any chance of the show being saved.
How long are you people going to allow Paramount to treat you like garbage?
Truth be told, if the folks behind "Save Enterprise" and "TrekUnited" really wanted to work for the betterment of Trek and to save the franchise they love, they would drop the save Enterprise junk and instead organize a boycot of all things Trek until Paramount finally wakes up and throws Berman out on his ass.
But of course, we all know that isn't going to happen.
So, I guess you'll have to learn to be content with your misery. Because Berman and Paramount are going to keep on shoving that broom handle up the collective asses of Trek fandom until they finally rise up and say "We're mad as hell, and we're not gonna take it anymore!"
Sounds like this episode should start with the TNG intro. That would be the only way to do it right and achieve the proper effect (if this rumor is true).
My B&B guess at the episode synopsis:
Riker and Troi encounter the Enterprise Season 4 DVD boxed set near the Neutral Zone and discover the "lost episode" easter egg while trying to play it in the holodeck.
If thats true .. um thats a retarded way to finish off ENT I reckon.. Like saying Enterprise is not as good as TNG , so lets put a couple of TNG characters in and end the show in a different century.. Maybe the ratings might be better ??? um No way.. Just finish the show off in style and dont kill anybody off or leave in cliff hangers.. You never know a Enterprise Mini series is a year or so might be better that doing Season 5 .. Mini series seem to attract new viewers..and it will keep the fans for sure.
Ok, if we were to play with this rumor, that someone, say Trip were to say die. The reasonsing behind this could be something that would have possibly played out further had there been a fifth season - like a Romulan conspiracy. The idea of T'Pol playing into this would be having her show up later around the period of Next Generation aboard the Enterprise (D/E)or maybe Titan at a much older age. She would be consulled by Troi as they travel to the area were it Trip was killed. Basically T'Pol wants to relive that time period and determine who was responsible for his death, since she still has feelings for him. Riker points out to T'Pol that they can use the Holodeck to possible find out who maybe the person responsible for Commander Trips death. The story will go on as they review the clues that lead up to that fatefull day. Upon discovery they discover the true villian, who turns out to be a undercover Romulan agent working towards destroying the alliance created between earth and its alien allies. With grief in her eyes, she will turn towards the doors to exit, when we see Riker look at Troi and say, "End Program."
If they uses the U.S.S. Titan, it is possible that T'Pol would be a Vulcan delegate. If they use the Enterprise D, she maybe traveling to visit it the scene of the crime after all these years.
Of course this will all lead up to Star Trek XI. Then again this all could be just a big dream and you will wake up in a sweat and screaming.
I have never cried at a TV show before, but I swear I'm gonna if they kill Trip one more bloody time! Nice ep title, though, if that's the real one. Very appropriate, actually.
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SAVE ENTERPRISE
Beyond the rim of star-light, my love is wand'ring in star-flight/ I know he'll find in star-clustered reaches/ Love, strange love a star woman teaches/ I know his journey ends never/ His star trek will go on forever/ but tell him while he wanders his starry sea, remember, remember me.
This episode is a perfect example of why B&B should not be allowed to work on Star Trek. Manny Coto works his ass off trying to make this show something worth saving and these two guys come in and recycle old plot ideas. Even after taking their own break from Enterprise, they still can't come up with anything original.
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PLEASE, JUST PLEASE DON'T END THE SERIES LIKE THIS!!! THIS IS THE WORST PIECE OF CRAP I HAVE EVER, I REPEAT, EVER, SEEN!!!
Calm down now... to think I thought there was still hope for the finale to be good... Worse, thought B&B could still manage to pull something off...
Back to it: PLEASE, LET MANNY COTO AND THE REEVES-STEVENS WRITE THE EPISODE!!! OH PLEASE, IF THERE IS A GOD IN THIS WORLD, DO SOMETHING!!!
*Deep breathing*
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I hope this spoiler is not true. GEEZ...Do these guys hit each other on the head with a tack hammer regularly or what? What a way to further alienate the fans. Some people I know who watch seem to lose interest when the holodeck is used. Are they trying to alienate fans further or are they just not able to deliver? I hate to say it but I feel B&B need to leave Trek if this is their result.
Didn't Voyager do an episode where the Dr. was found several hundred years later and part of a musium retelling the events of a story. I realize that was a different type of episode, but the concept was similar and it was good. So if this holodeck is nothing but a setting for a good story, then I don't see why it would ruin the finale. In fact it might just make it all the more unique. Of course I'm not holding my breath..
I agree that these rumors don't sound great and, to be honest, any mention of the Enterprise-D makes me think this rumor is just that - rumor, not fact.
Anyhow, it might be a pipe dream, but I think they are trying to throw everyone off. I think they do have something special up their sleeves and like throwing red meat to a lion, they know that we are all going to dissect and discuss and analyze every little detail that comes out. So, why not give us some false stuff to chew on for a while?
It's a long shot, but I hope they actually did use William Shatner at some point. They have everyone saying otherwise and have Shatner complaining that there were contract issues et al. But what if they did shoot a finale with Shatner? What a fitting end it would be to have Kirk during his retirement crisis (sometime after STVI and ST:Generations) being visited by someone from Enterprise (T'Pol). I wouldn't be suprised if T'Pol turns out to be related to Spock, for instance, and Kirk has known her all along (but it was never mentioned). Maybe Kirk could be reading about Enterprise (given his penchant for reading actual books [with pages]) or talking with T'Pol about the adventures of the first starship Enterprise. Whatever he is doing it starts the ball rolling in his head that he never should have retired (thus his conversation with Piccard in the Nexus..., "don't let them do anything that takes you away from that bridge, because while you're there you can make a difference.")
You have to believe that William Shatner would love to be the one Star Trek character to bookend all the series. As an actor, I don't know how he would pass that opportunity up.
There are a thousand different ways you can connect Shatner with Enterprise. As for the whole Riker/Troi thing - maybe that's a rouze too? Who knows, maybe they'll be in a holodeck looking at history of all the Enterprises. Who knows. None of us do! We'll just have to wait and see.
I enjoy reading the spoilers and rumor mill is always fun to sift through...but I still hope for some reason that these are just RUMORS and nothing beyond...there is a proper way to end a failing series...and mostly it's to ensure a tear felt goodbye where people are pretty much feeling "no, I don't want it to end"....hopefully they can pull it off to some degree...
EDIT: For arguements sake can anyone think of an episode where Riker and Troi might essentially need the knowledge from a past experience?
I don't know if this episode involves the Romulans, so I could see a definite tie-in to NEMESIS if they had gone with the ENT-E or TITAN, but if this is a continuation of "Xenophobia"-story line, I don't remember a definite TNG episode that dealt with Xenophobia continuing on Earth...anyone want to at least speculate?
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Ok Guys, I hate to say this but at this point in time, while all the rumors are interesting, if not scary, I would not read to heavily into this. At this point I will wait until the show airs in May. If it turns out the way some of you are saying, it will be a sad day indeed. This is not the first time that Berman did this, remember back to Trial and Tribulations, I am sure all of you remember that - dont get me wrong it was a good episode. But should this not surprise anyone that Berman and Braga would do something like this.
Huh?
by Dukat @ 16:10:44 on Mar 02
RE: Huh?
by Whitewulf @ 19:22:08 on Mar 03
You know, when I read Berman's comments about the finale being a "Valentine" for Trek fans, I suspected he meant it was going to be a royal F*ck U to the people who have been bashing him for the past several years. I've just read the info over at TrekBBS and it looks like my suspicions were right. Looks like B&B are salting the Earth where it comes to Enterprise.
Well, here it is. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga taking the Star Trek franchise behind the wood shed and shooting it in the head. I figured Riker & Troi's appearance wouldn't be a cameo, and would take up a lot of screen time -- time that should've gone to the cast who have been there for 4 years, and lo and behold I was right. The spoiler info on TrekBBS says that they are in about a third of the episode. A full third! I doubt we'll even get much closure on the regular cast of Enterprise.
Since it was established this episode wouldn't involve time travel, and we figured it wouldn't involve the Borg, the only other CRUTCH that Berman & Braga have is... the holodeck. So here we are, a holodeck episode. Should've seen it coming I suppose.
And they kill off Trip, and in so doing, kill off any chance of Enterprise coming back, which is sending a big f*ck you to all the fans of the series who wanted a 5th season. So we'll have the crying and sadness from T'Pol and Archer, and then we'll get Riker and Troi saying, "End program."
SaveEnterprise... TrekUnited... take your money, phone up Paramount, and tell them you will GIVE THEM the over 3 million dollars if they would just FIRE RICK BERMAN! That would do more good for Star Trek in the long run than a 5th season run by that complete idiot.
Either the link to TrekBBS is bad, or the post got pulled because someone at Paramount didn't want the final episode story to be leaked. :P
RE: Hmm
by GustavoLeao @ 14:30:22 on Mar 02
This whole season we have been waiting for a William Shatner appearance as James Kirk.
This whole season, Manny Coto and the great team of writers have been tying as many plot themes and threads into making this a legitimate prequel to the original Star Trek series.
Berman and Braga write ONE episode, and it's the finale, and they tie it into The Next Generation???
Their failure to get Shatner and their complete disregard for the original show has been part of a large problem all along.
I hope neither of them ever get to touch Star Trek ever again.
I feel sorry for Coto who obviously had to smile through much gritted teeth when they took the flag pole from his show and stuck it in and twisted it in a place that no man has been before and doesn't want to go...
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... I just hope the hell B&B don't give us a "Roseanne" finale copout where we find out that most of the events never happened and everybody actually died (or became a lesbian). All I can say is that there will be some eye-roller moments in this episode.
Also, is it really necessary to have Troi and Riker in this episode? Shouldn't the episode be focused on the core ensemble? This series had nothing to do with TNG. That show is long gone.
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Not only do we have the possibility that the events of this episode -- if not all of ENT -- are being played out on a Holodeck, but on the Enterprise "D"???
If this rumor is true, shouldn't it be on the Titan? Or the Enterprise "E"? (Or even a later "F," although I hope they skip that letter -- I can just hear the jokes.)
I, for one, am still hoping Frakes and Sirtis aren't even playing Riker and Troi, but other characters. But, if they are, then they should be on the Titan where Riker's captain, or the "E" after Picard steps down.
Go forward, dang it! Not backward!
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While we are dealing only in rumor mills, I stick to what I have been saying over this last month, that we may see a halodeck scene with the ending were Riker looks at Troi and says, "End Program." and the screen going black.
The holodeck thing is a stupid tie in to Riker & Troi, but if it is shown as a historical representation, that is not a holographic dream sequence in which the events have no validity.
Sounds like a meaningless 2-3 minutes of air time for Riker & Troi, but nothing more. As far as a character or more dying, that in itself does not make a bad story. Granted, Trek hasn't necessarily killed the heroes in the best way for everyone, probably only Spock has gone in a way which is satisfying and he came back.
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What would be even more insulting to ENT fans would be if they started the episode just like an episode of TNG. With the theme song and the Picard voice over. Basically trivializing the entire ENT series as nothign but a subset of TNG. Braga likes these kinds of mind games. Holodeck, Time Travel, and Hallucinations are his weapons of choice.
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