Lets see, of all the "prequels" in recent years (Star Wars, Enterprise) none have lived up to their original counterparts.
Rick Berman needs to get off this prequel stuff and instead move the series, or a movie, past the time of TNG and farther into the future.
Give us something new and exciting to look forward too. Not just cheesy sets and bad acting!
Oh, and if there is a next movie, please make sure that they hire a competent director who has more than one failed movie to his credit!
In a way, I'm glad this film is being moved to the backburner because it seemed to be setting itself up for failure. One of the problems with the franchise of late is rushing stuff into production and biting off more than one could chew.... all for the buck. And inevitably this can and has lead to failure.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
I never claimed to be good at english, where in my post did i say that?
and i actually have to appologize to you scorned i meant that post for Bmust die who said he walked away from trek with generations.
my fault
oh and just so you know i might be shit at english, spelling and grammer but i do have a biology degree, and 5 Alevels, i just cant spell to save my life.
once again im sorry that post was meant for someone else
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"The fans have spoken highly of the show this season, which is very encouraging to us, but the ratings don't reflect that, unfortunately"
That is true. The ratings don't reflect it yet but eventually they will crawl up slowly. It's a good sign when hardcore fans are more enthusiastic. It seems, popularity has to start from within and we have the opportunity to generate ripples throughout the scifi scene. Those who gave up on Star Trek might give it another chance when they hear us praise it.
People aren't easily perswayed by official channels. Promotion and advertising is just a sales-trick that doesn't really say anything about the product. But WE can make a difference. We can build up the appetite in our friends. If there was ever a need for us to work on that, it's now folks!
Want a fifth season? Many of us do. Let us appriciate that Star Trek is still in production - maybe just for another 2-3 months! Don't forget to tell your friends how cool ENT is, and that ENT will return on UPN next friday! Actually it runs every friday.
exactly some people are just ignorant listen to how cocky he is, he thinks he not only knows what goes on on the screen but also behind the screens, id love to see him do better. He critisizes berman and bragga but they have done so much good in the star trek franchise, some of the best episodes are braggas, (all good things anyone) i mean for god sake i hate people who are full of praise for something being right and then when something is wrong they forget the good. let me get this right you think trek ended with the end of TNG so basically you dont like DS9 either, or voyager or enterprise which means you dont like 3/5 of the franchise so you aint a fan anyway, you can call yourself a TOS fan, or even a TNG fan, but a star trek fan i think not, wouldnt that mean to be a trek fan in general you would have to like the majority of it. oh and let me get this straight, the last decent "TREK" episode was all good things if Generations was the end of trek, so by your account the last decent trek episode was written by bragga, your really inspiring my confidence. Oh and by the way you dont like ent, or voy so your not really in the position to slag off braggas work on those, because for the people who like VOY then it has to be said bragga wrote a lot of good episodes, futures end i think was one of his, why dont you go back to your dvds unless of course you refuse to buy them on principal of paramount getting money. and watch what you like, and let us fans of ent and voyager and the later films enjoy them without your inane predictions of doom. dont you feel old when you start turning into one of those "kirk was better than picard i wont watch that bald headed one cause its not real star trek" move with the times or dont but dont put down something us who do move with the times enjoy!!!! just dont bloody watch it, simple as!!!!!!!!
For the last time! Enterprise is failing for a few simple reasons: The ship looks like a cheap rip-off, the premise behind the show sucks, and re-copied story lines such as the Borg being discovered in the Enterprise time line. People watch Star Trek to not only see good stories but also to see the special effects. They look forward to seeing something new and unseen. Not reliving the past. I'm sorry to say that this is Star Wars fault! The release of Phantom Menace put people into a nostalgic phase which they recovered from right after the movie. People still want to see Kirk beating the bad guys, unfortunately with DeForest Kelly's death that's not going to happen. In all honesty, as a fan I walked away from Star Trek when the Enterprise 1701-D was destroyed. Generations as a movie just sucked! it had two points, Destroy the ship and kill Kirk.
It seemed as if Mr. Berman was re-making the show in his own image, Re-witing history seems to be his main concern. Take Zefram Cochrane (James Cromwell) for example, In the original story line the character was a reclusive intellectual who had walked way from everything after inventing warp-drive. In First Contact he was a drunk hippie dreaming of money and women. Insurrection was a waste of time, film, and money. I watched tem minutes before throwing it out. And the last attempt at humor Nemesis, Data's death (Leaving a cheap way back into the show B-4), Janeway's cameo, the Starfleet's fleet that never made it to the screen, Worf's reappearance, Need I go on?
The worse part is when they made Sisko into Jesus. I thought that was way outta line! I would reallyu like to see a show that lives up to the premise, Voyager was suppose to be fighting for survival, and every week just the same thing. Them struggling with the distance. Been away from home, C'mon.
The simple truth is that Star Trek is a sinking ship that has gone under a decade ago, Let it hit the bottom and rest.
Quote:"Berman carefully admits the project's development has slowed."
Ok this really is a stupid thing to do. Why would you carefully not say the project is being put on the back burner? Bermans a good liar he could of made up some excuse about being distracted by ENT . Regardless of that. I think that since he was being careful that the project is being put under the microscope by the "new management" by Paramount. If we are lucky it might be a sign that Bermans days are slowly coming to an END!
Quote:""We are continuing to develop a project that is in the very early stages,"
He is lying! It has been the early stages for over 6 months now. They even listed the co-producers along with Berman. The fact remains is that the majority of the script is "done" and it is being "rejected" by the new magagement. This ongoing development is nothing more than a smoke screen for Berman to change this script (which no doubt sucks!) into something better (is that even possible?)
Quote:" "It is in a little less of an early stage than it was the last time we spoke,
Here is an example of a lie. The sentense before he calls the project "in very early stages". In the next sentence the project is now "little less of any early stage". So I would like to ask Rick:So what is it? Where do you stand with this potential third bomb Trek movie?
It is NO wonder with this type of "workmanship" why Trek has struggled with being shit these past few years. Again it is very clear "MANAGEMENT" needs to be changed!
Quote:"but it is still too early to discuss it.
It has been 2 years since Nemesis. It has been over 6 months since we last got wind of this "prequel" movie that NO ONE wants and will no doubt bomb! SO WHEN is it a good time to ask? 2006? 2007? He is lying and just stalling for time because his contract is coming up for renewal!
Quote:"I think there will be some discussion about it in the next couple of months.
ANOTHER lie, now we hear "there will be some discussion..in the next couple months". SO what is it? He needs to get his own "timeline" straightened out!
Quote:"There is movement."""
If we are lucky Berman and this stupid prequel script will find some movement by being flushed down a toilet!
Quote:"But whether that movement is forward or backwards Berman is silent on.
Well it is clear it is backwards because of his comments about "more time and more talks in the future". If we are lucky this whole project will get SCRAPPED!
Quote:"With the naming of new Paramount studio chief Brad Grey, the future of STAR TREK feature films may be unknown for at least the immediate future.
THERE is your answer right now!!!! Berman doesn't know what Brad wants with regards to Trek. With Sherry Berman knew "just put out crap because the suits want more hooker money."
Quote:"On the subject of ENTERPRISE, Berman admits ratings aren't as good as they'd hope for but that the show is holding its own on Friday nights.
TWO THINGS HERE....1) Trek has shown that it can survive without the idiots of Trek (B&B) and 2) Season 5 is in the bag!
Quote:"The fans have spoken highly of the show this season, which is very encouraging to us, but the ratings don't reflect that, unfortunately," he says.
Since when does this jerk listen to fans? You have his girlfriend calling fans who see and make comments about obvious continuity errors "continuity pornographers". So this business of listening to fans is 100% bullshit! Any and all encouragement should be directed at Coto for "cleaning up the mess" that Berman and Braga left behind!
Quote:" "As to whether UPN is going to be interested in doing the fifth season--that is something we will find out about in the spring (note that this interview was conducted just before the 2004 December holidays).
There will be Season 5!
Quote:"Berman says, however, that he believes a decision on the show's future may be known in time to plan the final episodes of the season.
No kidding, they would need to make a series finale.
Quote:"On the writing front, Berman is quick dispell rumors that he or partner Brannon Braga are taking any less of an active role in the show this season, despite the promotion of Manny Coto to showrunner and executive producer.
He comes some more smoke to blow up the fans ass's!
Quote:"The fact that Manny has taken a stronger role in the writing has not affected, in any way, my participation in the stories and editing and production," he says.
This is a lie because Coto is now in charge of the "writers room". He is now in charge of "WHAT" is going to be happening storyline. In that one interview Coto says Berman told him to "Do whatever you want". The logic on this is very simple. For S4 there has been NO B&B scripted episodes. Since B&B have done nothing storywise (lets face it their ego would NOT allow someone else to take their work without credit!!!) they are doing NOTHING! HOW could B&B sit back and help "craft" the Vulcan arc knowing that the arc was to help FIX their mess? His idea of "production" is this "Manny write script that helps fix all the crap we did"! OH YEAH a lot of hard work there Rick!
Quote:"Brannon is also still actively involved in the series.
HOW?!?! BY getting Coto coffee? He is not listed on any script!
Quote:"It always amuses me when I read about people's perception about all of this.
LIE! It should be "it frightens me when I read about people perception about all of this because that means we are OUT!" His ego is still blinding him!
Quote:"The fact that Manny has taken more of a responsible role in the story development area doesn't mean what most people think it means.
Coto's title is called "executive producer" along with Berman. Cotos is in charge of the writers room A job that Braga USED to have. There has not been one script by B&B this year. Cotos name is all over the place when it comes to the scripts not B&B. So would someone please tell me HOW the fans preception of Coto doing all the work is wrong? Berman is living in denial about the fact that fans have embraced Coto and have all but spit on Berman.
Quote:"This is still a very collaborative effort, and Brannon's and my involvement is still extremely strong. It always has been.
LIE! If they were doing something they would of told you what it was. This was a perfect time to tell everyone what exactly these two are doing. The answer is very simple. Nothing!
Quote:" It's not a question of one person's vision versus another's. It is a group effort, and it always has been a group effort."
LIE! I didn't see Berman and Braga ever talking to other people about Trek. That is why they did most of the writting for S1 and S2 which SUCKED! (ie Stigma, A Night In Sickbay) Where was this "team player attitude" then? Only after the studio gave Berman a little talk did you see something new (Coto).
Quote:"Berman also hints at upcoming changes for Dominic Keating's character 'Malcolm Reed' in the full interview.
I am not going to read any more of this crap. So I am going to assume that the character change is "giving him more lines"? Poor Hoshi!
Quote:"This issue of the magazine also features interviews with Brent Spiner and remarks by writer/producer Mike Sussman.
The only comments I want to hear about Mike is about his views on him being "FIRED" from Trek.
actually im training to be a nurse so im not supposed to be aggressive lol but when people wish someone dead for doing a job it annoys the hell out of me, i said in another post id challenge anyone to write a decent prequel scrip in 3 weeks, bout the time it takes on the show. and it has to deal with prequel ideas or the fans will get pissed off because it will be just like season 1, you have to not breech continuity once, not at all and not from any part of the 40 year history of star trek, it has to be good, have a meaning, flesh out the charecters, appeal to trekkies, and the general public, it has to please fans of DS9, TNG, and TOS who could be said to be 4 different audience groups. and and you have to do all this in a 40 minute episode. who could do it?
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by JagMan @ 22:00:18 on Jan 08
Is death what you want? Just turn on your TV, and instead of watching Star Trek, just watch the news on the Tsunami disaster. 140,000 plus human beings are dead. Perhaps this will satisfy your need for death in this world.
To the moderator of this website, get this idiot off here. Or start MODERATING the content that goes on this board. Nobody needs to see this ignorant, adolescent attitude.
Berman said:
It always amuses me when I read about people's perception about all of this. The fact that Manny has taken more of a responsible roel in the story development area doesn't mean what most people think it means. This is still a very collaborative effort, and Brannon's and my involvement is still extremely strong.
It has always amused me as well. In fact it's done more - it's bothered me quite a bit. Manny Coto has written a few good episodes but he is not nor ever will be the saviour of ENT or Star Trek in general. Trek is bigger than one or two people.
People seem to think that season 4 has changed radically from what has come before and with the Vulcan arc ENT has been saved. And Manny did it. Crap.
A big part of the premise of ENT was that the relationship between Vulcan and Earth was different in this time than the time from TOS, and especially onwards. This prequel has set it up that humans weren't quite the 'evolved' specimens from Picards time and it has also set up that Vulcans weren't all they could be. This to me was obvious. In the pilot episode they had Archer stare into the camera no less and say something along the lines of 'forget your preconceptions' as if he were saying it directly to the audience. I don't know how more obvious this can be.
Some people thought that the Vulcans were different in this series because of B&B's misunderstanding of Vulcans. This is crap as well.
Tuvok was almost always a paragon of Vulcan logic and there is no doubt that B&B had some influence in maintaining that. They know their Vulcans only too well, like many in the audience should, and were trying to explore Vulcans in a differnet context. After seeing Spock and Tuvok for all this time I was receptive to this idea as well. I don't know why more weren't.
It's all very simple. At the start the Vulcans weren't helping Earth in the way Earth wanted to be helped. They were found out to be spying on the Andorians. Mind melding was taboo. The list goes on. These things were all set up so that a story could be done to explain it and to say that with work the Vulcans could in time become the Vulcans that we are all familiar with. We know when that time comes. Manny did not come along and say 'Oop. You guys have kinda fucked the Vulcans. I better fix it'.
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I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame, it doesn't mean I don't desire to
Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.
Schism by Tool.
God I wish this guy would die.
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