It's been said on Enterprise that Archer has an important role in the formation of the Federation. If the movie is going to show the Romulan Wars, then he will have to be in it. Why? Because the Federation was forged in the fires of the Romulan Wars. He'll have to have an important role if it's going to be about the Romulan Wars.
If you think about it, a movie prior to Enterprise could explain what happened to Earth society and what lead it to evolve into the world Archer lives in. Berman says the project is still infant, so please don't ramble about the idea yet - whether it will deal with the Romulan Wars or not. There are likely some false rumours too.
Everything else Berman says, sounds just perfect! It's going to be a very interesting forth season of Enterprise!
Berman quote from comingsoon.net
"the movie would have nothing to do with any of the characters that have existed before in other "Star Trek" series. "It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series."
Is there anyway the fans of star trek can band together to stop this man ruining star trek? Petition or something? Something has to be done!
BTW how can this new film be about the rom war when it is set BEFORE ENT???? I thought ENT hadent even had a first encounter with the roms?
Quote from Rick Berman:
"And there's a lot of things that need to get ironed out in terms of scheduling, in terms of money. ... But he would play an incarnation of a 'Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
So, Kirk's disembodied soul takes over a younger character if ENT's budget can afford only some ghostly voiceover from Shatner?
The prequel buzz has been around a while, e.g. in this AICN article from March. Seems to me that the Academy movie idea may be a rework of Harve Bennett's completed (1989) script for Star Trek: The Academy Years, mentioned in this 1999 StarTrek.com article.
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Shatner says he has penned Kirk's return
Ok. Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Star Trek about the future? About humanity evolving and improving? So then why the heck do they keep talking about moving backwards? TOS, TNG/DS9/VOY, then backwards to before TOS with ENT. And now a movie before ENT?
I wonder whatever happened to going forward. You'd think the whole backwards in time thing would die by now.
Kirk comes back - I've already clearly expressed my opinion on this topic. I would rather remember Kirk as the iconic hero of TOS than see him squeeze his rotund body into a uniform and perform a sad caricature of himself for the amusement of a handful of pathetic fanboys.
Frakes directs the next film - meh. I don't have anything against Frakes. He directed what I think is the second-best Trek film ever (First Contact), and I don't hold him responsible for Insurrection, which compared to Nemesis was a masterpiece. We need to face the reality that a Spielberg or a Peter Jackson or a Martin Scorcese is never going to wake up one day and decide they want to direct a Trek film.
The next film is another prequel - I blame Lucas and Star Wars for this. Phantom Menace started this whole "prequel" craze. The story of the Alpha Quadrant needs to be continued, we need to see what happened to Sisko, etc. Not more Prehistoric Trek.
Braga now in executive role - so what? Coto may be showrunner, but as long as everything has to be run through Bermaga, anything that even remotely resembles quality storytelling will be squashed in favor of more "time travel craziness".
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"It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE
To quote another franchise "I have a bad feeling about this". I hope Berman misspoke. As much as I like ENT, I think it's clear that the prequel concept isn't really working. Why go even further back into murky trek pre-history when there’s such a wellspring of story possibilities in the TOS/TNG/VOY eras? Not necessarily involving those crews but at least the environment and timelines would be somewhat familiar to audiences and would be relatively simple to build a framework of a feature film around.
If they want to go with an unseen Trek time period, how about the time between STVI and TNG? It's relatively unexplored, but ripe with possibilities.
As for ENT, I think they'd have a chance to redeem themselves if they could use S4 as an opportunity to wrap up loose ends and establish a bridge with TOS. Perhaps the appearance of Kirk could serve this purpose. Heck, S4 could also serve as a build up to the film. With some clever writing and a few plot twits and turns they could even explain some of the questions that many have including:
Why are the vulcans such jerks?
Why does the ENT look/seem more advanced than even some TNG era ships?
Why does the show open with a cheesy pop tune?
Why do 24th century aliens keep showing up years before they are supposed to be discovered?
I could see both S4 and the Film swinging either way. They could make a real effort and make it really cool, or they could really blow it and end up with steaming piles of poo.
Either way it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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If it's set before Enterprise, then I've lost a good chunk of interest. Then again, it seems the facts are moving around all over the place with regards to the movie.
As for Kirk: meh. I'm really rather indifferent towards the character. I think it's just as gimmicky to bring him to the Enterprise timeline as the Borg, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
This will have to be short, because I didn't clean my plate at dinner, so Mom says I have to go to my room.
Of course I'll watch Shatner to see what happens, but I sure hope he does more than a caricature of Kirk. Since he supposedly thought this up, it could turn out to be little more than a vanity project. Not to mention the "help" he'll get from the rest of the creative team. I'll keep hoping I'm wrong, but I won't get real excited either.
And the Starfleet Academy idea sounds even more lame! A prequel to Enterprise? Isn't Enterprise supposed to be the FIRST spaceship of exploration? What are our young teens going to do for two hours? Go parking behind Jupiter? Go to the malls on Mars? Transport into the girl's locker room?
I can see the title now: "Top Gun in Space", or "The Right Trek Stuff."
At least tying this to the Romulan Wars had an interesting, if imperfect, relation to the Star Trek universe. Now it just seems lame lame lame...
Have they literally lost it. Maybe they plan to base a series on space shuttles and space one kinda ships being flown around by some teenagers in a space explorationcollege spliced around with their dating and social issues. Who would shell out $9 bucks to see this pre-historic star trek equivalent of crap. I think B&B are too fascianted with Smallville. I would love to see the FX on this. Star Trek is about moving forwards not going backwards. Do they know that to progress in life you have to evolve not de-evolve. Maybe B&B minds are wired in reversed which might explain why star trek is on life-support under their due auspices. Big bomb waiting to happen. Star Trek 12 would be about the great, great grand father of these space cadets trying to help wright brother fly..but wait for a straight to dvd movie this might be intresting
This just in, Berman has some beach front property in Alberta for sale.
Also, he made some comment regarding this damn bridge he's been trying to get rid of. "Cheep", sez Berman, he just wants free of that monkey!
Why am I even surprised by this? Original ideas? Improved characterization of the already-present crewmembers? Hell, no! Let's go for the ratings stunt! Well, fine, I give up. It's obvious that no one is interested in original concepts anymore. We've got to settle for soap-opera tactics.
Congrats, all you pro-Kirk zealots...you're getting what you asked for. Well, at least, hope that you are. Remember who's in charge, after all...
One thing, though..."an incarnation of a 'Kirk'"? Just what the hell *is* that? Geez, if you're insisting on going through with this ridiculous idea, at least be up-front about it! Say it's James T. Kirk, for cryin' out loud, and be done with it. That man has turned beating around the bush into an exalted art form.
The RETURN OF KIRK!! HOT DAMN!
This will be the highest rated episode ever for ENT. It will certainly beat anything that VOY did as well.
Quote:"Berman revealed that the actor would most certainly play 'James T. Kirk':"
Quote:""He had a terrific episode [idea], and we had a nice long lunch meeting with him a couple of weeks ago," Berman says. "And there's a lot of things that need to get ironed out in terms of scheduling, in terms of money. ... But he would play an incarnation of a' Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
This is the ONLY moment of "clarity" this guy has shown ANYONE in the past 10 years!!! It would take an idea by Bill to get Kirk back. Let us all rejoice!
Quote:""The first two episodes ["Storm Front"] are going to be a small arc," he says. "And then there's going to be a single episode. And then there's going to be a three-episode arc. And there's going to be some levity, and there's also going to be some heavy subjects dealt with."
I wish they would stop calling a "2 part episode" an arc. Stop trying to "make it appear bigger than what it really is".
Quote:"The second arc he speaks of has been confirmed as a story involving a guest appearance of Brent Spiner ('Data') as the great-great-grandfather of 'Dr. Noonien Soong' who opposes the development of artificial intelligence.
Again, Brent finally realized WHO was paying the bills. It is a colder Hollywood outside of the nice warm blanket of Trek. Too bad, but it is too late now.
Quote:"The exec also revealed two more upcoming guest stars: THE SOPRANOS Steve Schirripa will appear in the season premiere;
They are going to have "Bobby Bacala" on ENT now!
Quote:"Joining Berman in the spoiler-filled press conference was Jolene Blalock, who dropped the bomb that her character 'T'Pol' "may" be getting married in episode three.
Yawn....Big deal!
Quote:"Berman added that the entire Temporal Cold War will be wrapped up by the end of episode two,
Only proves that this TCW was a silly idea and they had no real ending for it. So they are just wrapping it up.
Quote"and that despite contradictory remarks of late, co-creator and co-executive producer Brannon Braga will take on a "more executive role" as Manny Coto is the new "show runner."
Hopefully it means one of the idiots of Trek is stepping down.
Quote:"On the feature side of things, Berman added more intrigue to the reports of a prequel (possibly STARFLEET ACADEMY, story) film being in the early stages of development. He revealed that he's having a meeting with STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT and INSURRECTION and THUNDERBIRDS helmer Jonathan Frakes ('Riker') about the project soon. Sci-Fi Wire says Berman has had "talks" with Frakes ahead of the meeting.
Doesn't matter if they get Frakes. The premise of the movie is stupid shit. I wouldn't ask Frages to direct another movie after Insurrection. In my opinion it was proof that any success that he had on First Contact was just luck.
Quote:"He again emphasized that the project has absolutely no relation to any existing STAR TREK characters.
This will be a nail in the coffin because 1) no one is going to care who is the movie and 2) they are going to have do develop these characters very quickly. Something that B&B have NO CLUE on.
Quote:""It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE."
So it is BEFORE ENT? So the Romulan War is going to take place BEFORE ENT? I hope he was joking.
Quote:" CBS and UPN chief Leslie Moonves told journalists that ENTERPRISE was almost cancelled: "If STAR TREK had cost the license fee that it cost a year ago, a different decision may have been made."
Whatever.......you are fooling NO one!
On July 8th, Brannon Braga said:
"But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the Romulan Wars, so we might have to stay away from that."
I guess either the plans for movie #11 changed over the past 10 days, Brannon was mistaken (which is understandable since he's not even involved in the project) or he was misquoted. Either way (once again) a lot of folks around here got hysterical with the assumptions...and it was all (once again) based soley a snippet of incomplete and vauge information.
"It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE."
See--NOT a 're-imagining' (but a prequel). To all the folks that were freaking out about that possibility, you can now give your keyboards a rest. So please, go upstairs for dinner, you've got to eat (besides, I'm sure Mom's been waiting for you).
And another little peice of sunshine for you folks--despite all your doomsday ranting, Manny Coto IS the new show-runner. That should make you all feel just dandy...right?
Right?
No?
What else is new.
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RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Scorned @ 18:15:15 on Jul 21
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Ensign Ro-Your-Boat @ 11:50:13 on Jul 22
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Scorned @ 17:44:33 on Jul 22
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Ensign Ro-Your-Boat @ 12:40:44 on Jul 23
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by Scorned @ 01:58:28 on Jul 24
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Ensign Ro-Your-Boat @ 15:07:38 on Jul 27
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by Jadzia-Dax @ 12:46:37 on Jul 23
Your point?
by Ensign Ro-Your-Boat @ 15:10:20 on Jul 27
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by EntFan! @ 20:02:37 on Jul 21
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Scorned @ 21:25:42 on Jul 21
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by EntFan! @ 00:06:24 on Jul 22
RE: Hysterics, assumptions & rants
by Scorned @ 01:59:18 on Jul 22
Seems to me that Berman is responding, ever so slightly, to all the criticism the show has received. But more to the point, he's trying to create buzz for the show, drum up interest in it. I mean, c'mon, Spiner AND Shatner in the same season?! And T'Pol getting married?!
At least the fellow is trying, I'll give him that. I like the fact that Manny Coto really does seem to be more at the helm than Braga.
People are right: this has been one hot summer for Star Trek news. And it is a coordinated campaign, have no doubts about that.
As for the new movie, I need to know a lot more about it before I reach any conclusions. Way too early.
End of Temporal Cold War by episode 2? Is this the first time it's been mentioned that this arc will end, or has this been said before? If so, it demonstrates pretty clearly that they had no idea where the TCW was going from the beginning. To wrap up Silik, Daniels, FG, and the Xindi in just two more episodes seems like we won't be left with a very satisfying ending. No explanation given on what Silik/FG's motives were in "Broken Bow", or why the Tholians were involved in "Future Tense". Sounds more like to me that they are preparing for this season to be the last for ENT.
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I think my Trek days are coming to an end. Enterprise has changed so much (yes a show has to stay fresh) that I feel its lost total direction! But hey at least they're trying. This whole ancestor dropping does very little for me, and a prequal teen movie aint my cup of tea.
Nah I think I'll just chil out with my real Trek DVDs. ho hum.
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Nemesis had all the right buttons there waiting to be pressed, but like Data on a Reman keypad Paramount seem to have pushed the wrong ones. :/
There's buzz and excitement in the air for Star Trek for the first time in a very long time and it's a heck of a lot of fun to get some of that back.
Sit back and enjoy, folks. This is what we've all been waiting (and asking) for.
I would love to see Kirk back. I hated the way they killed him off in Generations. Or is he still alive in the Nexus energy ribbon?
I bet they go with a Mirror Kirk though.
T'Pol *may* get married? Sounds to me like it's going to be a rip-off of "Amok Time", perhaps Trip will fight her arranged husband to the death with the legendary fight score from TOS. Baybe that's what Berman meant when he said sason 4 would have nods to TOS.
Looks like a load of crap to me.
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From above:
But he would play an incarnation of a' Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
Well that's good news indeed. An "incarnation of a 'Kirk'" (with "Kirk" in quotes) would be????
Hologram?
Nexus "echo"?
Clone?
Let the speculation begin. ;-)
It would be nice if he were the REAL deal brought back to continue his adventures until his natural death, but we'll have to take one step at a time I expect. ;-)
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Outer Space. The last frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise.
Its 5-year plan...
Calls for us to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations.
To boldly fly where no man has gone in space.
Patrick Stewart on SNL 2/5/94
Berman's quote certainly reads somewhat strangely. It seems to say Kirk, but then "incarnation of a Kirk" . . . but then again "not another character"?
Grandpa Data is already coming to visit, we don't need to see Grandpa Kirk too.
The idea that Shatner mentioned in late March was to bring the character, James T. Kirk, back. Hopefully this is the idea they are considering, but the "incarnation of a Kirk" part leaves it unclear.
Well I must say that I am thoroughlt satisfied. I have been looking forward to Shatner's return for quite a while. Now, knowing that he'll be playing Kirk just adds to my excitement. My only concern with this, is that Berman said "A Kirk". Whats that suppose to mean. Mirror Universe? Nexus Kirk? what?
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It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE.
This would seem to conflict with Braga's comment on the movie being set during the Romulan Wars. If this is a prequel to Enterprise, based in Starfleet Academy, How the hell can you have the Romulan Wars?? I guess I am confused.
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What, no comments yet? LOL.
This has sure turned out to be one rip-roaring STAR TREK news summer.
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