... the elements of what makes a good ST movie.
They can bring back all sorts of characters, all sorts of situations... and the movie can still suck. That was proven with Generations, Regurgitation (or whatever it was really called; I forget) and Nemesis.
Why did these movies suck so badly? IMHO, it was several factors :
- the snippets of info about the movie promised much, but sucked totally in execution
- the continuity issues were poorly handled (for crying out loud, *everyone* has a VCR these these days, and the franchise's followers are fanatical about detail)
- but most of all, the stories really SUCKED.
In "Generations", we were 'promised' the return of Kirk. What did they do with Kirk? Wasted him! They have bumble around on the bridge of the Enterprise 'B' before getting to him run around in a sandpit only to be shot in the back. "....and Whoopi Goldberg will be in Generations..." Another stupid waste of talent and bad story telling.
In "Insurrection" (oh dear, just remembered the name; ugh, I never should have exhumed the memory) we had another lame story. This time, the movie opened with Data running around like a lunatic. Yawn! Where was the insurrection? "Ooops, we forgot about that. Sorry!"
For "Nemesis" we were 'promised' Romulus, but what we got was an over-long search for B9 or whoever (wonder if the "B" stood for Braga?) and Picard reviving the Paris - Dakar which had no real point to the key story.
They could have done great things with the Romulans and Nemesis.. but, what did we get? Shazon and Picard gawking at each other. Bleh. And it was said the sequence in ST1 inside the V'ger cloud was s l o w ...
Ah, the waste of potential...
Why did First Contact, Wrath Of Kahn, and The Undiscovered Country work so well? I think it's because we were given elements of canon in each (although the portrayal of Cochraine as a drunk seemed unforgivable at the time...). It was because an effort was made to keep *one* plotline moving throught the movie .. and it was stuff the audience wanted to see. Borg. Klingons. Kahn.
These movies worked because they had great stories. Like, the story *moved*, and got the audience *interested*. They also had elements of the most thought-provoking stories of the original TV series at their core.
A 'prequel'? LMAO. Pardon me for saying so... but, it's not a way of getting kid (read: cheaper) actors into Starfleet uniforms to play our heros and doing a version of Starfeet Orange Alert County, or San Fransciso 90210... is it? History recalls that one's been tried before.
(Oh good heavens? Is my cynisism showing?)
Tell you what, Rick; you want to make a buck on the next Trek movie? Give us a decent support cast, not like that horrible dude in "Insurrection" .. keep Dougherty out. Give us Q. Give us a decent story, maybe involving Cardassia and have some sort of parallel with the Afganistan or Iraq situation... that kind of story worked so well in TOS where Kirk et al commented on real world events in a fictional, scifi setting. Give us support characters we actually want to see and give a damn about and a support cast that knows what they're doing. If you want to pay the bucks to hire top name actors, use them properly; don't rely on them to pull in the crowds if you've got a rotten story at the core of your movie, because - get this -- the crowds won't be there.
Find a writer that cares about the franchise and knows what elements make a good ST story. And send Brannon off on a workshop in .. I don't know, some place with advanced technology ... like Sphincter, Kentucky, for the duration.
The point is, boring the fans of the show so they disown it and making movies so bad that non-fans don't want to see it isn't going to make dollars for the franchise.
Listen to your audience, Rick.. or, what's left of them.
(Oh, btw.. hello all! I'm new here. Sorry, I won't make a habit of ranting like this...)
I'd be willing to bet that this idea that he's referring to begins in TREK's far far future and follows some temporal operatives into the past as they attempt to "repair" the silliness(sp?) that they aired with ENT. That is to say that this will be a major excercise in damage control for the series.
STAR TREK fans from all over the world have voiced their opinions and have cited continuity and canonical facts, observations and speculations on BBS's like this one with such stone cold and iron clad logic with a fervor that simply cannot be ignored. If Berman really focuses on what he's doing, the story of ENTERPRISE might actually be acceptable in the new context. I know that some people might think I'm giving Berman too much credit, but in all honesty, I don't think he wants to be remembered as the ultimate STAR TREK villain. Setting things right is the least he could do after dissapointing millions of people with his apparently mistaken view of STAR TREK under his watch.
This is Rick Berman's chance to redeem himself. The basic ideas behind STAR TREK are wonderful, it's a shame that it had to go the way it did during ENT's first two years. ENT has attracted some new viewers into the STAR TREK family who think that those of us who demand certain things from STAR TREK are nuts for not accepting faulty writing, bad characterizations, blatant disregard for continuity of ideas, ENT was a brand new thing for many new viewers and I don't think they'll ever really understand what it is that disgusts the rest of the viewership about ENT. But the fans have spoken, and I think we've been heard. STAR TREK simply cannot survive in the form that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga tried to foist on the public with ENTERPRISE.
Mr. Berman, you have one more shot at this, since you're still apparently in charge, I hope you succeed. But if you don't, please abdicate your throne.
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Frogs with dirty little lips
Dirty little warts on their finger-tips
Dirty 'n green
Tiny 'n mean
Floppin' around
By the edge of the stream
-FZ
Could it be Berman is mentioning it in vague terms to gauge fan reaction? Not that they seem to have cared too much in the past...
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"What you fear is the unknown. The people of your planet once believed their world was flat. Columbus proved it was round. They said the sound barrier could never be broken! It was broken. They said warp speed... could not be achieved."
People already hate it and they don't even know what it's about. Priceless. :-D
However, given the slippery slope that the television/film arm of the franchise is on for the last three years, I continue to be baffled that they are seriously considering doing another film and a prequel at that.
Just where do they think the audience is for this? After Nemesis tanked and ratings for Enterprise continue to go down even after their attempts to shake things up, I can't imagine what they could do.
If that last line in the story is true, perhaps we could be looking at the first film-only crew that would follow Enterprise but be before TOS. If Season 4 is really Enterprise's last (and I've never heard anything official saying it is), they might be looking for something in 2006. Who knows? There's no point in speculating now.
A prequel series hasn't worked so lets do a movie?
its just not something I want to see I'm afraid. Do they have a marketing team?!!!!
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Nemesis had all the right buttons there waiting to be pressed, but like Data on a Reman keypad Paramount seem to have pushed the wrong ones. :/
I wonder if the "prequel" will be of the Kirk/Spock/Academy days. I mean hey, Berman has screwed up everything but the original series, so might as well go full circle. But if the next Berman project is a bust like Nemesis and Enterprise, I think its time Paramount took the blame. They're the dummies that authorize and sign the cheques.
Seems to me Berman has a little too much "faith of the heart" and needs to stop listeneing to that freak'n theme song already!!
what era this will take place in but it'll be interesting to see a different type of Trek on the big screen. I think the fan deep down in all of us always hopes the next movie will be the best we've ever seen, so that tiny ember of excitement turns into a flame (good or bad) the more we hear about it.
My opinion is to get Michael Jan Friedman involved in the story no matter what. He's done some great TNG and TOS prequel work.
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Make It So
yeah we know what this is. this is because ent will wrap up season4 but they'll need to explain why kirk, picard, etc. never mentioned archer so they'll need the film to do so. i bet the film is a time traveling thing to bring back picard, archer, possibly kirk. it's just sooo stupid. i hope none of the cast will agree to do it. a trilogy (like lotr or star wars) would do star trek some good. but the story needs to be epic quality for that to happen.
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"LET THEM DIE!!!"
RE: uh...
by Krazy Joe @ 16:23:50 on Jun 24
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by rumandchocolate @ 19:00:56 on Jun 24
It could be a prequel to the TNG era, the original series era or somewhere in between. 80 years of Star Trek have yet to be explored on screen.
If they want to excite the masses I still feel that Sulu is the way to go, returning the series to the 23rd century. Star Trek movies used to be an event. Put a movie into development that features Kirk era Star Trek and it could be the spark that reignites interest and what made Star Trek great.
Looking to the past may save Star Trek's future.
It could be a prequel to the TNG era, the original series era or somewhere in between. 80 years of Star Trek have yet to be explored on screen.
If they want to excite the masses I still feel that Sulu is the way to go, returning the series to the 23rd century. Star Trek movies used to be an event. Put a movie into development that features Kirk era Star Trek and it could be the spark that reignites interest and what made Star Trek great.
Looking to the past may save Star Trek's future.
...Dead Franchise Walking...
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Quack!!!
I have FULL FAITH in Rick Berman and his Star Trek projects. You people should stop saying nasty things about him or anyone else! I'm sick to death of it!
Maybe it IS about Starfleet academy, but NOT about Kirk and Co. That would seem to jibe with AICN interpreting the info wrong.
If they wait until a year or more after Ep III, they could catch genre fans looking for a new scifi epic. It could work...
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"What you fear is the unknown. The people of your planet once believed their world was flat. Columbus proved it was round. They said the sound barrier could never be broken! It was broken. They said warp speed... could not be achieved."
Quote:"Berman reiterates that he is "very much involved" in the project and that calling it a "prequel" is indeed "valid.""
Is this old fossil so senile that he thinks that fans actually care to see him do another movie? The next film is going to suck to so bad! It just amazes me that Paramount after the last 5 years of shitty trek and 2 bomb movies. That they would give this incompetent moron another shot at another movie. I will not spend a dime watching another shitty Berman Trek film. Especially this retarded prequel idea.
A "prequel"...not again!
ENT isn't working. What makes them think a prequel movie will? Again, more jumping on the Star Wars band wagon. Rick Berman wishes so bad he was George Lucas.
I wonder if J'Ho is going to have another movie coming out when this next disaster comes out so that they have something to blame its failure on.
That's horrible! I hate Rick Berman!!!
Hey, if every single post is saying the exact same thing, does it really matter if two of those posts are by the same author?
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Kor: You of the Federation, you are much like us.
Kirk: We're nothing like you. We're a democratic body.
Kor: Come now Captain, I'm not referring to minor ideological differences. I mean that we are similar as a species. Here we are on a planet of sheep, two tigers, predators, hunters... killers. And it is precisely that which makes us great. And there is a universe to be taken.
--Commander Kor of the Klingon Empire, on the United States of America
"There is a film concept that is in discussion," Berman tells journalist Ian Spelling. "I am very much involved in it.
Oh dear lord...if Berman is "very much involved in it" then it's surely doomed! DOOMED!!! A true disaster waiting to happen...the last nail in Trek's coffin.
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JOKE OF THE CENTURY!!!
When asked how Gene Roddenberry would feel, about Berman's handling of Trek...since his death. Berman responded, "I think he'd be very pleased. I think he'd be proud of what we're doing."
Quote:
"I am very much involved in it." ...Berman reiterates that he is "very much involved".
Is he trying to rub it in or something?
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Kor: You of the Federation, you are much like us.
Kirk: We're nothing like you. We're a democratic body.
Kor: Come now Captain, I'm not referring to minor ideological differences. I mean that we are similar as a species. Here we are on a planet of sheep, two tigers, predators, hunters... killers. And it is precisely that which makes us great. And there is a universe to be taken.
--Commander Kor of the Klingon Empire, on the United States of America
Maybe this is why Shatner will be appearing on Enterprise next season: Berman is buttering him up for the prequels (to have him appear to legitimise a recasting in a flashback form)
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"Men don't use sex to get what they want. Sex IS what they want" - Frasier
Rick Berman's talent for talking a lot without actually SAYING anything never ceases to amaze me. Ever since he took Star Trek's reins, whenever he's been asked anything in an interview, he can rehash stuff that's already been said by the interviewer or outside sources and never really answer a question. I'd try to give you an example, but there are way too many to choose from. Just go and read any Q & A with him in back issues of the Star Trek Fan Club magazine. You'll see what I mean.
Quote from GustavoLeao:
Berman reiterates that he is "very much involved" in the project and that calling it a "prequel" is indeed "valid." Previous reports indicated that it was not related to STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE and it appears we're still a ways off from learning anything more substantial about this project.
Whether or not the new film is directly related to ENT, the sinking TV series is what a potential audience will picture when deciding if they'll pay to see (more of) a Berman Trek "prequel". Paramount should consider that this is a recipe for failure.
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Chiana -- Escapee from Nebari Prime
You can only hope that this will be about the Romulan Wars. I can't remember which of the B's it was that didn't want to do the Romulan War, hopefully it wasn't him. Hopefully, it will follow TO THE LETTER what we know about the Romulan Wars from "Balance of Terror" and "The Defector."
What we know about the Romulan Wars:
No human or ally ever saw the other.
They have those A-type birds of prey.
They SHOULD NOT have cloaking devices yet.
It probably started at star station Salem 1.
It ended with a humiliating defeat at Charon (for the Romulans)
The Neutral Zone is established
Andorians, humans, Tellarites, and Vulcans are probably in this war together, and create the United Federation of Planets as an alliance to deter further aggression (a la NATO), and explore the galaxy.
It should end with the signing of the Federation Charter in that room we saw in "Zero Hour." Perhaps they could even put in Archer and Daniels standing up in that balcony, and as Archer signs the charter, he remembers he was there 7 years ago from his time, and smiles as he looks up at himself. Then it ends with the dramatic music, like TMP did.
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"Tell Archer, We are NO longer even. He owes me now" -Capt. Shran in "Zero Hour"
This is a 'Politically Correct'-free Zone"
If HE is involved, it will suck.
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