Home Home Leftcorner_menuBack menuBarBack
Community News Features About Us
Home | Submit News | Join | Settings | Logout |
Schedule
boxBottom
Advanced Search
boxBottom
News Tribblets
boxBottom
Stardates Calendar
Opinion Poll
Convention Listings
Feature Story

Features

Bring Back Kirk Campaign Launches New Offensive, Group Talks New Trailer

Features

By GustavoLeao / 03:10, 22 March 2004 / TrekWeb Features

The new Bring Back Kirk trailer made its debut online today, William Shatner's birthday. The ambitious 9-minute trailer features impressive fan-made CGI effects, and appearances from character and ships from all five STAR TREK series, from ENTERPRISE's 'Captain Archer' to VOYAGER's 'Admiral Janeway'. Here is a brief synopsis of the trailer: With the backing of the Federation, and a newly refitted Enterprise A, 'Ambassador Spock' successfully rescues his friend and former Captain, the legendary 'James T Kirk'. Soon after, Federation worlds including Earth and Vulcan,are attacked, forcing Kirk and crew to embark on a special mission which will unite three centuries of Starship legends, in a battle to save the Star Trek universe.



TrekWeb caught up with the trailer's production team - Jason Turner, Jay B. and Will Jaspers - to get the scoop on the making of the trailer and the BBK campaign.

TREKWEB : Guys, can you introduce yourselves and your role at the Bring Back Kirk campaign.

JAY: I'm Jay from the United States, current webmaster of BringBackKirk.com and editor of the new trailer.

JASON: I'm Jason from England, one of two CGI artists for the new trailer, and the UK representative of our campaign.

WIL: I'm Wil from the Netherlands, one of the CGI artists, mostly responsible for building the interior meshes and characters.

TREKWEB: How was the new trailer conceived, from concept to the finished product? How much time did it take?

JAY: We began work on the new trailer approximately two years ago. However, it was reworked from scratch several times. A few conventions have shown exclusive versions of custom-made Bring Back Kirk trailers that are totally different from the version we are now releasing online. We knew from the enthusiastic response to our test footage at these events, that we were on to something very special, that all fans could enjoy.

JASON: It's pretty much been an ongoing project since Wil joined the team. He emailed us out of the blue with a very ambitious but slick video promoting William Shatner's "The Return". From then on his contributions to the CGI enabled us to do things we couldn't have accomplished before, and so began the construction of a more character-oriented production.

WIL: It was really a case of experimenting until we were all happy with what we had. We knew we had to bring Kirk back, and we wanted Spock to do this. We knew we wanted at least one character from each Star Trek series. And we knew we wanted some exciting action sequences.The key was coming up with a story that would believably weave all these elements together,and tie them into one main narrative.



TREKWEB: The CGI effects are really impressive,especially the new scenes with Kirk,Ambassador Spock,Scotty and McCoy in TNG-style uniforms. How was that footage produced?

JASON: Obviously we don't have the technology or the resources of ILM or Digital Domain, and we're doing this in our spare time on home computers with no budget, so this isn't going to be award winning CGI. But it didn't stop us from being ambitious. As an experiment that turned out well, I created a mesh of the head of Commander Tuvok to go with Wil's TNG uniform. The CGI Tuvok features in several Voyager shuttle scenes, and allowed us to add that extra sense of realism when we peer through the shuttle windows and out of them from the inside.

WIL: Everything you see, uniforms and surroundings are made up in 3D models. This way you can move your camera in any given direction. A cut-out of the persons head is made from video footage, allowing us to counteract the original camera or character movement. Now you can move your camera slightly to give it the effect as if there is really a person talking or moving. It is like a coin, take the head side and rotate it slightly, you can rotate it without a major distortion until you reach a certain point, and you have to do the same with your camera. Having all the rest in 3D will give you the right result.

TREWKEB: You have included in the trailer ships and characters from all the Trek series, including Enterprise and Voyager. Why?

JAY: This was our way of showing that the possibilities of bringing Kirk back are endless. So we developed a storyline that would reach out to several shows and centuries. Star Trek is a vast universe now, and we want to show how exciting it would be to see Kirk interact with characters from other shows. We also felt that if we were going to have crossover material, we didn't want to neglect ANY of the various Trek shows from the trailer. We wanted this trailer to be something all Trek fans could enjoy.

JASON: Our film is about showing possibilities. Enterprise is currently the only Trek in production. Realistically, Kirk's return can be done there in the most cost effective way. That's why we show Kirk meeting Archer. When last we saw him, Sisko was in the wormhole and said that he would be back one day. A devastating attack might give him incentive to return. He was instrumental in the Dominion War, and is one of Starfleet's finest. So let's have a fleet--with The Enterprise A, the Enterprise E, Voyager, Defiant, and Titan, which is a first for Star Trek.

WIL: We believe that one of the reasons Mr. Shatner's post-Generations Kirk books are so successful is that they reach out to fans of all of the Trek series. It's not just about the original series. All 5 shows have made their mark on Trek lore, and we wish to capitalize on that by reaching out to fans of all the series', just like Mr. Shatner did. To do this project justice, at least one of the TOS sequels will need to be used.

TREKWEB: Some of the scenes, like Spock at Veridian III and the McCoy hologram, are reminiscent of Shatner's highly successful Trek novels. Did you use those novels as inspiration for the trailer?

JAY: We drew inspiration from the novels, our own ideas, and we had a contest where many Trek fans submitted their own ideas, as well. In fact the winning idea for our contest resulted in the meeting of Kirk and Archer. One fan submitted the idea of using the Guardian, and another the idea of Kirk appearing on Archer's bridge out of nowhere. We cross-pollinated the two ideas, and the result is one of the better sequences in the trailer. Ultimately, many elements were integrated into this version.

JASON: We draw some inspiration from William Shatner's works, as his books provide some very good Star Trek stories, however, given the constraints of not actually having a script or the actors, filming The Return was impossible. Those books, and the sales success they achieved, are proof that Kirk's return is viable, still sells, and that Kirk can function very well in the current Trek era. And of course the main narrative was inspired by the ongoing story arc on Star Trek: Enterprise.

WIL: We start with Spock at Veridian III because it is a logical place to start. When last we saw Spock, he was on Romulus. We presume that once the Federation and Romulans formed their Dominion War alliance, Spock would find it logical to return to the Federation to continue his unification efforts. Upon his return, he felt a certain need to visit Kirk's grave on Veridian III, and that's where the trailer picks up. As for McCoy, it only seems natural that an EMH on Kirk's ship would be of McCoy. It's as much a homage to Mr. Kelley as it is one to Mr. Shatner's books.

TREKWEB: The trailer will be screened at conventions in the U.S, Europe and other countries?

JAY: Definitely. Like the first trailer, this one will be shown at many conventions throughout the world. We're grateful to the fans that have volunteered to support the cause by making the effort to show the trailer
at these conventions. We're literally overwhelmed by the enthusiasm of campaign supporters and humbled by the generosity of convention committees.

JASON: As Jay mentioned earlier, various versions of the trailer have made it to conventions in the UK, the United States, and Brazil, with positive response. Consequently people have come to us asking if they can show it, and arranging for it to be shown by approaching the conventions on their own initiative. Amazingly, a lot of the material shown at cons last year, is now some of our most embarrassing test-footage that will never be released online for anything other than a laugh.

WIL: The finished version will get its premiere in Brazil next month. Several UK and US events have expressed interest in showing the trailer this year. If anyone out there is running a convention and would be interested in showing our trailer, we can provide it to them in any suitable format (DVD, VHS, VCD, AVI etc) to anywhere in the world.

TREKWEB: Rick Berman has said in recent interviews that he would love to see Bill Shatner guest-starring in an future episode of Enterprise. How do you feel about that?

JAY: I personally would love to see Shatner on any of the Star Trek spin-offs. But if they're going to do it, they should do it with Shatner playing the role of Kirk. As we are fond of saying, *anyone* can play Kirk's ancestor, but only William Shatner can play James T. Kirk. The purpose of the campaign is to have Kirk back one last time to undo his death in Generations, and not kill him off again. Kirk deserves a happy ending, and a Kirk return on Enterprise can finally give a lot of fans that optimistic ending that Star Trek became known for.

JASON: I'd love to see it, but for Paramount, the choice is clear. It's about money. And Kirk's return is about as sure a thing as they can get. What was the highest rated show in November 2003 Sweeps? Andy Griffith sitting around in a recreated Mayberry set talking with Don Knotts, Jim Nabors and Ron Howard. Enterprise's chief competition is Smallville. Its highest rated show was when they got Christopher Reeve to guest. When DS9 did Trials and Tribbleations, the rating was a 7.7. No Trek show, not even Broken Bow, has matched that rating since. William Shatner as Captain Kirk can generate that audience. It's our goal to see that happen. But that's not the reason I'd like to see Kirk on Enterprise; it's a by-product of what could be the greatest science fiction return of the small screen.

WIL: It would be a cheat to have William Shatner come back to the franchise after 10 years, and not play Kirk. Good writing can easily solve the difference in eras. Additionally, Rick Berman isn't the only person who has spoken positively of William Shatner appearing on Enterprise. Mr. Shatner has been open-minded about the idea. Scott Bakula has been quoted as saying he wanted Captain Kirk to show up. Brannon Braga once admitted that killing Kirk was a mistake. Mike Sussman has said that he would love to see it. And Mr Sussman certainly has proved he can not only write great Star Trek, but he has all sorts of nods and tributes to the original series laced inside his episodes.

TREKWEB: It has been 10 years since Shatner played James T. Kirk in Star Trek Generations. Some fans feel that he and Nimoy are too old to play their parts. How to you answer to that criticism?

JAY: Shatner is no older than actors like Sean Connery, Clint Eastwood, or Gene Hackman. We aren't asking for the character to do things that are physically impossible. Nor are we asking for a new TV series centering on the character. We're asking for one last adventure. It doesn't matter if it's an appearance on a TV episode, a TV Movie, or a theatrical film. We just want Kirk back one last time. Age is irrelevant.

JASON: Recently, we interviewed David Gerrold. He was asked the same question. His response was perfect, "As long as Shatner can get out of bed (or into it, for that matter), he'll always be Captain Kirk." Fact is, as we have seen from the recent Priceline commercials, neither man is exactly in a walker or ready for the old age home. William Shatner keeps a more active schedule than many people half his age. People have a hard time keeping up with him. We're not looking to see Kirk do the flying dropkick or wrestle with a Gorn. But the Kirk of Balance of Terror or Wrath of Khan is very doable. Incidentally he can be seen on two recent Spplat Attack DVDs outsmarting people twice as young as him. And that's Shatner running around with a gun for real.

WIL: Seeing Mr. Shatner as Captain Kirk is very realistic given that people in the Trek universe have such long life spans. Plus, in the real world, John Glenn was sent up in a space shuttle at age 76. Mr. Shatner is a young man compared to John Glenn. He can do it, and Paramount would be smart to take advantage. I would add that Mr. Shatner is constantly in work on the television and movie circuit.



TREKWEB: What's next for the Bring Back Kirk campaign?

JAY: Right now we are concentrating on distribution of the trailer to various conventions, in addition to our regular efforts of getting our voices heard by The Powers That Be. We're also working on a few surprises for 2004. We haven't quit, and won't quit until there is a resolution. Never underestimate the devotion of Star Trek fans.Captain Kirk's death was the biggest plot mistake in Trek history. It can easily be reversed.

JASON: The trailer is our main focus at the moment, and is proving to be overwhelmingly popular offline. We're hoping we can cope with the online demand. Currently, we are looking to see Kirk return on Enterprise. If Enterprise gets cancelled, then we will lobby for a TV movie. William Shatner wants the chance. Paramount needs to get to the negotiating table, and it is our goal to see this through. We believe in the possibilities.

WIL: The Bring Back Kirk campaign extends far beyond us. People generally seem to want to see this happen. Recently, a group of fans called New Voyages actually filmed an episode recasting TOS. That episode was a phenomenal success. I might add that they too implied that there was a post-Generations future for Kirk. But at the moment, we're just going to see how well the trailer goes down with the fan community.

TREKWEB: Thank you for you answers and good luck with the new trailer.

JASON: Thank you for the interview. We appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. And we hope everyone gets a chance to see the trailer and enjoys the production. Any and all feedback can be sent to us at: officials@bringbackkirk.com

A preview page can be found here.

Finally, you can download the trailer here. Mirror sites pages can be located here and here.



More Top StoriesComments
Oct 11J.J. Abrams Says New Star Trek Movie Does Not Feel Like a Reboot or Prequel1
Oct 11Comics Review : Star Trek Mirror Images Issue 40
Oct 11New Star Trek Movie Theatrical Trailer Coming in November 5
Oct 11Synopsis for Star Trek A Singular Destiny Novel - Spoilers2
Oct 10Alex Kurtzman on Taking the Star Trek Movie Franchise to a New Audience0
Story Archives...Browse:   

Talkback

114 comments Post New | Help
View:

112 comments on this story... | Report this post to moderator
By: tomba1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:08:05 on Apr 06, 2004

...better than most threads about Enterprise. The possibility of Kirk's return after 10 years generates more Trek-related discussion than an episode of the current Trek series.

TPTB (at Paramount, not TFIIC in Berman's camp) should be looking at this carefully.

--------

"I don't believe in the 'no-win scenario' " - J.T. Kirk




"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." - John "Nuance" Kerry (who, by the way, also served in Vietnam)


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: 112 comments on this story... by StillKirok @ 10:13:56 on Apr 06

First Trailer | Report this post to moderator
By: mohap (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:32:19 on Apr 03, 2004

Anyone know where we can download the first trailer??


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: First Trailer by StillKirok @ 08:52:38 on Apr 05

Trailer shows need for "connective tissue" | Report this post to moderator
By: sky (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:31:30 on Mar 29, 2004

What this trailer does demonstrate is that some "connective tissue" would really help this stumbling franchise. Since DS9 ended, the shows VOY and ENT have not had much connection to the established Trek universe. And ENT is hanging out there on its own. The most intriguing thing about ENT is the glipses of the Federation's future.

BUt ENT fails in that it does not link to the characters that carried the franchise all these years. I'd best most fans would agree that it's the characters, not the sci-fi scenarios, that have captured our interest since 1966 -- the idea of people similar to us dealing with "strange new worlds" and all that.

Anyway, the principal "proof of concept" offered by this trailer is to engraft ENT into the TOS and ENT storylines. Can this be done without Kirk? Perhaps. But this trailer does show that Kirk is after all the focal point of Trek, and it wouldnt be the same without him.

--------

"When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements!"

-- William Shatner on SNL, 1986


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote

Hello, Kirk is dead | Report this post to moderator
By: AntonyF (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:01:23 on Mar 29, 2004

Hmm. Not knocking some fans who have had some fun -- good on them -- but I do wonder if people are watching the same trailer as me? It does scream fanboy, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just that some people are acting like they've seen a feature film. Whereas I just saw an amusing trailer with a daft story. Just go pick Kirk up... and everyone is together!

The thing is, I find such fan campaigns just amusing diversions. Good on the people for having some fun, doing a trailer etc. but when does this become TrekWeb front page news? Slow news day?

But let's not forget, all this is predicated on this preposterous thing of bringing back Kirk. Kirk is dead. Live with it. Secondly, Shatner is no spring chicken, and he's doing other things now. Would he want to come back and do Trek when he's got other work? Has anyone asked him? And then there's the other characters, like Scotty. I'm not being cruel, just realistic, but is Jimmy Doohan even in a state to be able to star in something?

So these things are okay as a diversion, but rather pointless. Kirk is dead, the actors are doing other things... and Paramount are trying to keep Enterprise afloat, without trying to invest in some other venture. No one can say "don't do this" to people doing the campaign, nor should they. But conversely I think a health dose of reality wouldn't go amiss.

--------

Lydia: "I've never lost at mortal combat yet."
Diana: "Idiot. If you had, you'd be dead." -- V, "The Champion"


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Hello, Kirk is dead by StillKirok @ 08:31:03 on Mar 29
    RE: Hello, Kirk is dead by AntonyF @ 17:01:14 on Mar 31
       RE: Hello, Kirk is dead by StillKirok @ 10:18:33 on Apr 01

Damn good trailer, but... | Report this post to moderator
By: SirTrekker (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:11:13 on Mar 27, 2004

Okay, before I make my point, I'd like to say that those responsible for making that trailer should get a round of e-applause. They did a fantastic job of creative editing and computer-generated graphic work, and I felt truly excited watching that...but not because I believe that their idea, bringing back Kirk, will save Star Trek. Sorry, folks...ain't gonna happen. Relying on a character of times past to reinvigorate it would prove more than ever that the creative talent behind the franchise is bereft of original ideas. James T. Kirk may be an example of Star Trek's essence, the spirit of adventure and risk-taking that we saw in the original series and the first 6 movies...but his time, and that of his crew, has long passed.

Don't get me wrong; I grew up with the original crew's adventures, and treasure them deep in my heart, but I'm also strong-willed enough to know when to let them go and allow a future generation to carry the torch. While TNG, DS9, and Voyager, as well as the TNG movies, may not have met the same standards fans of the Kirk Era may expect, they stand strongly on their own merits, and will forever remain a vital part of the Trek franchise, proving themselves more than worthy of following in Kirk's bold footsteps.

Bringing Kirk back is not the solution, folks, as cool as that trailer made the concept look. It's time to take care of those currently responsible of keeping Star Trek alive, and strongly encouraging those in power at Paramount to make sure they provide us with characters and stories that inspire us 30 years from now, as much as Kirk's legend does now.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Damn good trailer, but... by Scorpius @ 09:31:56 on Mar 28
RE: Damn good trailer, but... by StillKirok @ 19:08:02 on Mar 27

RE: Very well done but... | Report this post to moderator
By: spacebeluga (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:47:17 on Mar 26, 2004 | Edit History (1)

n/m


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote

Screen captures | Report this post to moderator
By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:49:49 on Mar 23, 2004

For those with slow dial-up connections or other download limitations, here's a link to screen captures from the good quality trailer...

Bring Back Kirk: Trailer 2 (clickable thumbnails)


--------------


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Screen captures by Brian Langlois @ 09:30:24 on Mar 25

It Gave Me Chills! | Report this post to moderator
By: Gamera (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:10:40 on Mar 23, 2004

Okay, I know there are posters lurking here that exist only for the sad thrill it gives their lacking lives to make fun of "fanboys" and old-school Trekfans. No matter what we say positive about the original Trek and any attempts to bring back Kirk, they will shoot it down, as if their being new to ST fandom somehow makes them superior. Big laugh!

So that being said, I will gladly risk their misplaced disdain and say, out of all the kicks the trailer gave me as far as crew team-ups and ship battles, the one single moment that stands out above it all, the one that made my hackles rise and gave the cold chills was this: Spock approaches Kirk in the Nexus. Kirk turns. Sees Spock as he says, "Jim." and Kirk wonderously exclaims, "Spock!"

That did it for me. I don't JUST want Kirk to return. Both Shatner AND Nimoy must be together or it just won't work as well. They are a team, and the only real thrill in any movie will be when we see them together again.

It may not, and probably will not, ever happen onscreen. But fiction such as this trailer can make it happen in our imaginations, and in efforts such as the "Return" books by Shatner/Garfield-Reeves.

I say, the effect I felt (and others I suspect) watching this speculative trailer shows that all of the appeal of the original Trek boils down to this: Kirk and Spock. Not to ignore the contributions by all the others, but to say that if we are to see a Return, it must be by both. Just my own feelings about it. Thanks to the fans that did this work, just for that one moment of joy. You made it real for a moment!

-Gamera


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: It Gave Me Chills! by lnformed @ 10:32:38 on Mar 23
    RE: It Gave Me Chills! by StillKirok @ 12:57:38 on Mar 23

RE: Very well done but... | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:58:51 on Mar 23, 2004 | Edit History (1)

At least the meshes & textures to all those ships are freely available on the net.

(Woops, the thread was lost. I replied to the post by "Informed" down on this page.)


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Very well done but... by lnformed @ 10:24:21 on Mar 23

woohoo | Report this post to moderator
By: kennyg (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:07:15 on Mar 23, 2004

A thrilling ride through the worlds of star trek! This trailer is sweet...and it accomplishes what it sets out to do.

The possibilties are endless....

The high rez version is awesome! i ran it full screen and it just looks incredible on my 1152x864 screen. I think I'll go watch it again.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: woohoo by Jadzia-Dax @ 06:17:42 on Mar 23
    RE: woohoo by Scorned @ 08:55:20 on Mar 23
       RE: woohoo by Jadzia-Dax @ 11:55:26 on Mar 23

These guys get it | Report this post to moderator
By: Machiavelli (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:33:20 on Mar 22, 2004 | Edit History (1)

I watched this trailer and was excited. I haven't felt this way about Star Trek since Khan and UDC.

How come these guys get it and the producers of Generations, Resurrection, and Nemesis seem to have no idea what Star Trek is supposed to be about?

At the end of this trailer, I wanted to stand up and cheer.

I say, go for it!


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: These guys get it by Celtican @ 18:57:21 on Mar 22
    RE: These guys get it by StillKirok @ 19:52:47 on Mar 22

Very well done but... | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:15:32 on Mar 22, 2004

The only thing they are going to accomplish with this is getting sued for copyright infringement.

However, it's nice to see someone who still wants Star Trek to continue; someone who cares! Even if this was put together by only 3 people. (The computer graphics (namely the ships) was surely borrowed from various places, but still lots of work has obviously been put into this promo)

I never really understood the appeal of Kirk, but... an old hero from peoples childhood never dies, I suppose.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Very well done but... by Scorned @ 08:51:38 on Mar 23
    RE: Very well done but... by dewleaf @ 23:25:47 on Mar 24
       RE: Very well done but... by Hbasm @ 10:18:31 on Mar 25
          RE: Very well done but... by dewleaf @ 01:19:40 on Mar 26
       RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 00:38:07 on Mar 25
          RE: Very well done but... by StillKirok @ 07:44:41 on Mar 25
             RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 11:19:21 on Mar 25
                RE: Very well done but... by StillKirok @ 12:22:48 on Mar 25
                   RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 19:02:07 on Mar 25
                      RE: Very well done but... by dewleaf @ 01:21:27 on Mar 26
                         RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 10:30:08 on Mar 26
                            RE: Very well done but... by Scorpius @ 14:23:33 on Mar 26
                               RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 14:50:05 on Mar 26
                                  RE: Very well done but... by Scorpius @ 15:08:11 on Mar 26
                                     RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 15:26:13 on Mar 26
                                        RE: Very well done but... by StillKirok @ 15:29:09 on Mar 26
                                           RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 15:42:48 on Mar 26
                            RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 14:10:49 on Mar 26
                               RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 14:52:23 on Mar 26
                                  RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 20:20:21 on Mar 27
                                     RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 21:01:19 on Mar 27
                                        RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 12:24:02 on Mar 28
                                           RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 13:27:24 on Mar 28
                                              RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 16:48:26 on Mar 28
                                                 RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 17:13:49 on Mar 28
                                                    RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 18:01:57 on Mar 28
                                                       RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 18:36:48 on Mar 28
                                                          RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 19:06:27 on Mar 28
                                                             RE: Very well done but... by spacebeluga @ 19:15:29 on Mar 28
                                                                RE: Very well done but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 20:19:04 on Mar 28
             RE: Very well done but... by Scorpius @ 09:18:08 on Mar 25
RE: Very well done but... by lnformed @ 08:03:05 on Mar 23

my god...it's full of stars! | Report this post to moderator
By: Grason (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:13:32 on Mar 22, 2004 | Edit History (2)

I've publicly scoffed at the idea of bringing back Kirk. A gimmick. The last gasp of a dying franchise. Voyager poisoned me, and Enterprise has stabbed me in the back.

Then, I watched this trailer.

Yes, its reach exceeds its grasp. Yes, there are substantial leaps of credibility, and (dare I say it) logic.

You know what?

Big effing deal. This thing rocked.

As someone else posted high above on this thread, the makers of this trailer GET IT. It's amazing, the subtleties in just 8.5 minutes, nuances that seem to escape the thoughts of the ENT writers. Most telling for me -- the activation of the "new" EMH. Instead of "Please state the nature of the medical emergency," it was, "I'm Doctor Leonard McCoy. Do you want my help?" That was Bones in a nutshell. And of all the samples of all the dialogue spoken by De Kelley through 79 episodes and six movies, they picked that one precious line, which spoke volumes.

I also agree with whoever suggested that this is the opportunity for Kirk (and Picard, and Sisko) to be Archer's mentor. This is the means whereby the convolutions of ENT can be set right. Is it a reset button? Of a sorts, yes. But done well, the reset button WORKS. "Yesterday's Enterprise" worked. "City on the Edge of Forever" worked. A project like this may not erase Enterprise, but it will certainly establish a better context.

Kudos to the design team from BringBackKirk.com. This is an outstanding piece of work.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: my god...it's full of stars! by Sullaban @ 10:36:49 on Mar 24
    RE: my god...it's full of stars! by StillKirok @ 10:57:10 on Mar 24

HIGH QUALITY VERSION | Report this post to moderator
By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:01:58 on Mar 22, 2004

http://downloads.gamezone.com/demos/d10840.htm

Check the above mirror site. It now seems to have both the 17MB AND the 99MB version. Enjoy.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote

No doubting the quality of the promo but... | Report this post to moderator
By: Shano (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:50:42 on Mar 22, 2004

Kirk cannot save Trek. Let's face reality TOS crew are of that certain age now. They could only appear in CGI and how do the compensate for Mccoy? Do the use an impersonator? Is that really what trek needs is to rely on other actors voices?

Briliant promo, very well produced and realised but the basic premise if flawed and would only push Trek further from the mainstream public.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by StillKirok @ 13:56:40 on Mar 22
    RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by Shano @ 21:05:18 on Mar 22
       RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by StillKirok @ 07:55:56 on Mar 23
          RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by Shano @ 03:51:16 on Mar 24
             RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 06:23:19 on Mar 24
                RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by StillKirok @ 07:14:01 on Mar 24
                   RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by Jadzia-Dax @ 08:22:06 on Mar 24
    RE: No doubting the quality of the promo but... by Scorned @ 14:12:03 on Mar 22

Keep Kirk Killed | Report this post to moderator
By: Bucky (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:47:33 on Mar 22, 2004

I like the idea of the character being dead. It completes his life cycle in Trek, since he's dead and all. Like its 99% certain we're never going to see Picard again on the big screen - I don't dig that, I think its too open ended. I like the idea of Kirk's cycle in Trek being complete.

--------

An elephant never forgets . . .TO KILL!


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
How bout killing off Picard? by sky @ 13:55:25 on Mar 22
    RE: How bout killing off Picard? by Scorned @ 14:10:34 on Mar 22
       RE: How bout killing off Picard? by spacebeluga @ 00:36:27 on Mar 25

Holy shit!!!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!! STXI:The Return! | Report this post to moderator
By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:59:21 on Mar 22, 2004

What can I say except that Jason Turner, Jay B. and Will Jaspers and TRUE Star Trek fans. They truely get it! The amount of work that went into that little promo was incredible. Hats off!! After reading the interview and watching their trailer I can only say "WOW". They said that Paramount will only back a "money maker" and lets face it. This idea of the return of Kirk (regardless if you use their idea of Shatners book) is IT! A 3 movie arc would be a fans "dream"!

Can you say "3 movie arc"??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY is it that 3 fans with no big budget and special effects etc pull something off that is so "TREK" and Berman can't do anything?


It is VERY clear that Shatner and Nimoy want to do this. WHY you ask? Some of the "voices" are NOT from any known series or movie clips.



Some journeys were NEVER ment to end!

Legends NEVER die!




--------

Star Trek XI: The Return




Some journeys were never meant to end.


LEGENDS never die!!! Bring Back Kirk!


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Holy shit!!!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!! STXI:The Return! by JSTOTT1701 @ 13:41:45 on Mar 22
    RE: Holy shit!!!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!! STXI:The Return! by Scorned @ 13:51:29 on Mar 22

if paramount had a brain.... | Report this post to moderator
By: sky (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:15:16 on Mar 22, 2004

If anyone at Paramount had a brain, they'd recruit these guys and all the other fanboy producers and give them a small budget to produce these sorts of things. How bout a total CGI "New Adventures of Kirk"? You know that this sort of thing is coming. You could pay Shatner a license for his face and digitally create the rest.

This oughta be a no-brainer for those nitwits at the studio -- get the fans working cheap for them, and sell the product to other fans via "straight to video" and stick a wide margin in their pockets. I know I as a fan would support such efforts. Sounds like a win/win/win for everyone. For that reason alone, it'll never happen!

--------

"When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements!"

-- William Shatner on SNL, 1986


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: if paramount had a brain.... by BWilliams @ 13:05:32 on Mar 22

Ridiculous | Report this post to moderator
By: GreginWA (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:50:15 on Mar 22, 2004

So, what's it about?

They've included everything under the Sun from the Star Trek universe with the exception of the most important element: a story. Bring back Kirk from the dead doesn't have to be complicated. It doesn't have to be some intergalactic extravaganza spanning 3 centuries of future-history. The story needs to be simple. It needs to be enjoyable. Watching things blow up is not exciting, its eye candy. Having McCoy brought in (and De Kelley "resurrected") as an EMH is just a gimmick. In a story there needs to be purpose. You can't just have all of these great ideas and gell them together into a movie. It doesn't work like that. The story needs to be about the people, not the events. This is why I've said many times before that any attempt to bring back Kirk from the dead would have to be done by Spock. This is one element that the creators of this trailer got right. Of course I understand that including Sisko's return, Archer, DS9, and everything else was just done to show what's possible, but this trailer is easily viewed as some fanboys' attempts at doing something cool instead of telling a character-rich story.
What the creators of this trailer made will simply never happen. It goes far beyond being too much. Bring back Kirk, but only if there's a character that has a reason to. Make the story simple and identifiable. Of course, I'm partial to my story of Spock bring back Kirk simply because of the fact that their friendship transcends logic and reasoning. Kirk saved Spock, now its Spock's turn to save Kirk...and he'd go far beyond breaking a few regulations to do so. But, that's a different story. :)


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Ridiculous by Scorned @ 13:15:20 on Mar 22
RE: Ridiculous by luckybucky @ 12:57:26 on Mar 22
    RE: Ridiculous by spacebeluga @ 13:05:24 on Mar 22
       RE: Ridiculous by Jadzia-Dax @ 13:45:47 on Mar 22
Even more ridiculous by GreginWA @ 12:47:21 on Mar 22
RE: Ridiculous by StillKirok @ 12:16:05 on Mar 22
    Didn't answer my question by GreginWA @ 12:35:43 on Mar 22
       RE: Didn't answer my question by Jadzia-Dax @ 13:27:27 on Mar 22
       RE: Didn't answer my question by spacebeluga @ 12:51:36 on Mar 22
       RE: Didn't answer my question by StillKirok @ 12:50:51 on Mar 22
          RE: Didn't answer my question by GreginWA @ 12:56:26 on Mar 22
    RE: Ridiculous by StillKirok @ 12:27:40 on Mar 22
       RE: Ridiculous by GreginWA @ 12:44:02 on Mar 22
          RE: Ridiculous by StillKirok @ 12:57:49 on Mar 22
RE: Ridiculous by spacebeluga @ 12:12:39 on Mar 22
    RE: Ridiculous by lnformed @ 12:36:53 on Mar 22
       RE: Ridiculous by spacebeluga @ 12:55:09 on Mar 22
          RE: Ridiculous by lnformed @ 12:58:45 on Mar 22
             RE: Ridiculous by spacebeluga @ 13:03:35 on Mar 22

Excellent Job. | Report this post to moderator
By: tomba1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:58:16 on Mar 22, 2004

Sure it's a fanboy wet-dream concept (I was waiting for Moogie or the Salt Vampire to show up as the Defiant's science officer), but these guys did a great job with this.

It has a real epic scope to it, bridging the generations, galactic consequences, etc. That Federation armada was the most kick-ass Trek battle scene I have encountered since DS9.

The possibilities are indeed endless.

Not to be a wet blanket, however, we should keep in mind that Shat and Nimoy are the only oldies who appeared in this trailer who are actually capable of doing something like this at this point. B&B missed a great opportunity in the mid-90's, when the entire cast was alive (Kelley) and in better health (Doohan)

--------

"I don't believe in the 'no-win scenario' " - J.T. Kirk




"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." - John "Nuance" Kerry (who, by the way, also served in Vietnam)


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: Excellent Job. by Grason @ 14:26:30 on Mar 22
RE: Excellent Job. by StillKirok @ 11:06:39 on Mar 22
    RE: Excellent Job. by tomba1701 @ 11:07:18 on Apr 02

BRING BACK KIRK! | Report this post to moderator
By: Jadzia-Dax (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:49:32 on Mar 22, 2004

OH MY GOODNESS!!!

I only downloaded the low quality one (will do the high quality at home).

THIS IS THE THING THAT COULD FINALLY MAKE ENT A PREQUEL!!!!

It's a wonder that this is the 2nd fan-produced thing that I have seen and BOTH projects have a better "feel" for being "Star Trek" than anything that is going on right now. Incredible.

--------

"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998


----


Outer Space. The last frontier.


These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise.


Its 5-year plan...


Calls for us to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations.


To boldly fly where no man has gone in space.




Patrick Stewart on SNL 2/5/94


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote

FANTASTIC! | Report this post to moderator
By: HotStove (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:18:20 on Mar 22, 2004

What a great job! This is the ultimate fanboy endeavor. Beyond the Bring Back Kirk campaign, it makes you wonder if Paramount is waiting for the original cast to pass on before putting forth their own CGI version of TOS. Imagine getting to watch the second 5 year mission ala "Final Fantasy" CGI style...!

--------

"Dammit, I'm a doctor, not a... oh, yeah, right..."
--Phil Hartman as McCoy, Saturday Night Live


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote

HOLY CRAP!!!! | Report this post to moderator
By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:29:07 on Mar 22, 2004

HOLY CRAP!!!! DOWNLOAD THIS THING NOW!!!!

It had everything in it! Kirk returns! Picard, Archer, even Sisko! These people managed to keep canon AND provide a story with all FIVE series'.

It's hard to describe this. The detail is unbelievable!

They have characters interacting from different series'! Kirk talks to Archer! Picard and Scotty--together again! Tuvok and Spock!

Holy cow! And the battle scene--WOW! If they'd have done something like this for Nemesis, the movie might have done better.

The musical score was amazing. I can't say enough.

Why is it that a group of fans with no budget can GET IT, but Rick Berman can't?

I really hope this film gets into the hands of the right people at Paramount. DOWNLOAD IT. You will NOT regret it.


Reply
Reply
Quote
Quote
RE: HOLY CRAP!!!! by The Sisko @ 07:15:07 on Mar 26
RE: HOLY CRAP!!!! by brad hall @ 09:35:25 on Mar 22
RE: HOLY CRAP!!!! by Three of Nineteen @ 09:05:45 on Mar 22
    RE: HOLY CRAP!!!! by StillKirok @ 09:32:59 on Mar 22
       RE: HOLY CRAP!!!! by CaptainDave @ 10:48:05 on Mar 22
Promenade



LOST ERA: WELL OF SOULS




TrekWeb Merchants
Amazon.com
Amazon.co.uk
Amazon.ca
Amazon.de
Barnes & Noble

Get Firefox!