RE: ENT v. VOY | Report this post to moderator
By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:17:38 on Feb 09, 2004

Well, I don't think they were THAT bad. I thought the characters had a lot of potential but weren't used as well as they could have been. I still love the crowded noir of DS9 and all the complications and resolutions that arose from it. I think they never found a way to build on that without just repeating the stories of the past and losing a lot of consequence, which is what DS9 had lots of.

Oh, and I really liked Janeway, actually.

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First two seasons left a bitter taste hard to get rid of | Report this post to moderator
By: SeanValen (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:53:21 on Feb 09, 2004

First two seasons comprised of more episodes of some shows that make a impact with half a season, then get canceled, if you look at Enterprise's first 13 episodes, are they your favorites, most likley not, now I haven't seen season three, but I get the impression its improving, but basically it means it's one season that should of been the quality of season one, only when the show is looking bad in terms of viewers, they do something, the best thing in this, is hoping berman and braga get fired, the idiots.

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Yeah, The Enterprise Project... | Report this post to moderator
By: Mr. Hippo (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:11:56 on Feb 07, 2004

...grass roots movement of fans no doubt paid for by Paramount Studios.

Star Trek has become the Howard Dean of science fiction thanks to Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Paramount's cash cow mentality.

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Too little, too late? | Report this post to moderator
By: Shaun (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:17:36 on Feb 07, 2004

This letter-writing business strikes me as an exercise in futility. Letter campaigns aren't what they used to be--if a show was saved from cancellation back in the '60s, when there were only three networks to choose from, and it had never been done before, well then, that was big news. But take a look around today... there are now dozens of different stations and hundreds of different programs to choose from. I'm not sure Hollywood or the world at large has much interest in keeping TREK alive anymore. And when was the last time a letter-writing campaign to save a TV show did any good? The only two I can think of off the top of my head were for "Starman" back in '86 or '87 and, more recently, for "Farscape." Guess what--both shows got shitcanned anyway.

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for STAR TREK. The only reason why I don't bother with "Enterprise" is because of Berman & Braga. If UPN finally agrees to bring back ENT for a 4th season, the ONLY way I'll tune in is if they fire B&B and replace them with Harve Bennett or Nicholas Meyer or Ronald D. Moore or Leonard Nimoy or William Shatner or Peter David or ANYONE ELSE who has shown in the past to have a healthy passion and talent for all things TREK. I got suckered into watching the season finale of the 2nd season, "The Expanse." I shut it off after the first 10 minutes. It had DESPERATION written all over it. I tried watching an episode or two this season and the Xindi are so ridiculous and ill-conceived that I just shook my head. I just DON'T CARE for this show, its story arc or its characters. Something tells me I'm not alone on this one.

The ONLY thing that could POSSIBLY save ENT (in my opinion) is nothing short of a complete and total overhaul of production personel. This Xindi nonsense just ain't cuttin' it. They need: A new executive producer, new writers (preferably established sci-fi and TV drama writers), new sets, new costumes, new actors, new production designers... the whole shebang. The only actors I'd keep would be the guys who play Trip, Phlox and Reed. Then, and ONLY THEN, would I even bother tuning into the first 5 minutes of the season opener of Season Four.

I realize it's a tall order. That's why I don't have a lot of faith left for "Enterprise."

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every victory has a price | Report this post to moderator
By: cjd (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:18:46 on Feb 06, 2004

hey all,

im enjoying season 3 of enterprise so far, but does anyone agree with me that when the crew win their war againest the evil xindi. that their ought to be some kind of price, like a bitter sweet victory?

babylon 5 had their lead character do something similar at the end of season 3. any ideas? plus im getting disappointed with the whole trip t'pol thing. i can only only personally imagine t'pol really going for a human like captain picard. any comments? :-)

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The Glory Days of Voyager and the way the series should end. | Report this post to moderator
By: iam (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:06:47 on Feb 06, 2004

Ya know, I was thinking of Voyager the other day; a show had its amazing share of crappy shows, problems and I actually found myself missing the "glory" days of the show. Episodes such as "Year in Hell", "relitivity", That episode with the ship from the federation (W/John Savage), and I started to think how much I actually missed these people. Why would that be? It's obvious now... This was the last Star Trek show to have a scrap of quality and character depth written into it. Since the creation of Enterprise, which has unashamidly (sp?) messed with the established Star Trek Universe, I have felt that this show has almost nothing to do with Star Trek. It is simply someone else's interpretation of Gene's Roddenberry's vision. If this show ends up being cancelled I fully expect the show to end the way it should end.... (Enterprise finale suggestion!) Q shows up in the middle of an episode and informs the valliant crew of the Enterprise that this continuity should never have happened. The Creator if this alternate time line is revealed as "Future Guy" CAPTAIN BRAXTON of the Timeship Relativity!
The bad captain of time has created this time line of Archer and Co. to finally rid the universe of the pesky Captain Janeway and the good ship Voyager! Q reveals the true time line through a virtual tour of said time. While on the tour, Q sends the ship and crew of the Enterprise NX-01 to the future to destroy, once and for all, Captain Braxton. Fortunatly, Archer never has to pull the trigger himself as a failed escape attempt by Braxton ends with the time tripping captain scatering himself across the cosmos while making the mistake of utilizing the Enterprise's prehistoric transporter.
With the evaporation of Captain Braxton, Q sets right the rest of the cosmos and the original Robert April, Pike and Kirk Timeline is restored.
Meanwhile..... the crew of the NX-01 coasts through space wondering why they haven't been evaporated, finally after waiting for there last moments they continue on their way deciding that they quite possibly have been the victim of a cosmic episode of "Punk'd." The exterior shot of the enterprise begins to pull back and continues to pull back until it is reveiled that the universe is in a cube shape being held by...... Q.
"Why not.....?" Q says as he puts the alternate universe on a shelf. the end and the credits roll......

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The Wrong Endeavor | Report this post to moderator
By: Spockjaw (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:14:39 on Feb 06, 2004

Why are people rallying to save a crappy show? They should be rallying to cancel it, as it is an embarassment to us, and all Star Trek that came before!

Perhaps then we can move on to better things for ST.

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By: The Flashlight (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:27:39 on Feb 06, 2004

First, even if I had extra cash lying around, I wouldn't be flushing it down the toilet on newspaper ads for a freaking t.v. show that should have been canceled at the end of season #1.

Second, it would help their ad's credibility if any of it's claims were actually true -

>>"Now, with new arc-driven stories that often >>examine the troubling issues of our own time

Please. Enterprise's plots barely rise to the level of superficial. The social commentary (and I use the phrase loosely) is shallow and hamfisted.

>>ENTERPRISE has reinvigorated its appeal to its >>audience

Completely untrue according to the ratings, as many have pointed out. If Enterprise were suddenly doing TNG-like numbers, then I'd say it had been reinvigorated.

>>recaptured the praise of media critics

And what media critics would those be? Even TV Guide has been critical of Enterprise. Mainstream critics fogot about Enterprise a long time ago. Are they referring to the various no-name "I have my own geocities website" Trek online critics that populate internet? Sorry, I don't count them.

>>and is reengaging the interest of former STAR TREK >>fans.

Again, not according to the ratings. The ratings issue is beyond debate now folks. If the ratings really weren't as bad as they seem, if there really was a legitimate way to spin the statistics in a positive direction, then Trek wouldn't be in as much trouble as it is now. The people in charge of the programming at UPN, Viacom & Paramount KNOW that the ratings are bad and that the show is underperforming.

And I take issue with referring to those not watching Enterprise as "former" Trek fans. Excuse me - I'm a Star Trek fan, have been for years and continue to be so. But I'm NOT an Enterprise fan. I find the show boring and juvenile. The Xindi storyline simply doesn't interest me, and beyond that I find not a single one of the characters compelling enough to care what happens to them. I haven't traded in my fandom membership card because of that. I continue to buy the DVD sets, and I watch TNG and TOS and DS9 on t.v. when I can. I'll even sit and watch a Voyager episode here and there. But Enterprise just isn't worth my valuable time.

>>The show has hit its stride and is gathering >>momentum to fulfill its enormous potential and >>emerge as a bona fide classic series.

The show is a bland, neutered bore. The Xindi arc was created because the show was adrift and clueless for the first two seasons. And once the Xindi arc is finished, the ship & crew will have to return home where the creative team will again have to figure out what to do with this ship of cardboard cut-outs. That's a dilemma they weren't able to solve before, and it's not something they will be able to solve now, because they've given up on Trek continuity. Eugenics Wars? Nope, abandoned that. Romulan War? Nope, no sign that we'll ever see that. Founding of the Federation? Haven't taken a single step in that direction in 3 years. Wasn't that supposed to be the entire point of the show?

Enterprise from the very beginning was a "gimmick" - you got to see the "first" of everything. The first transporter. The first phase pistol. The first encounter with Klingons. But once they ran out of "first" gimmicks, they had no idea what to do afterward.

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A flash of light | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:44:36 on Feb 06, 2004

I wish it works... But eventually, we will have to donate enough money to produce the series on our own. Dumb world.

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hmmm | Report this post to moderator
By: Victor (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:29:39 on Feb 06, 2004

I don't understand what they've seen that has inspired such loyalty. Author and writer Warren Ellis said recently that Trek fans just watch ENT, which features lightly revised episodes from previous Treks, for comfort.

I'm not certain he's wrong.

Victor

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Hmmm.... | Report this post to moderator
By: TheeBlueWolf (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:18:49 on Feb 06, 2004

I don't know how I feel about this.

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